General Discussion: A Reason For Not Living In Scotland


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andymakesglasses
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20199 posts since 26/1/06

11 Sep 2014 11:02
On the subject of the Euro this is an interesting read.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check-with-polly-curtis/2012/jan/11/would-an-independent-scotland-join-the-euro
DuffMan
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posted 11 Sep 2014 11:07, edited 11 Sep 2014 11:07
Mrtyn I don't know what you think you're talking about but it is an expected requirement of a new member state joining the EU that they adopt the Euro.
If Scotland are considered a new member state, and considering the probable reluctance of some states to allow Scotland in, it seems pretty unlikely that in the EU negotiations they will have enough bargaining chips to opt out of the Euro. This is especially true as Scotland would likely also want various other things, like a proportional rebate based on the UK's current level.
Mrtyn
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969 posts since 30/1/14

11 Sep 2014 11:12
I'm sorry but that simply isn't true.
DuffMan
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posted 11 Sep 2014 11:17, edited 11 Sep 2014 11:17
What isn't? The Maastricht treaty obliges new EU members to adopt the Euro at some point. It may be possible to defer or or negotiate out of this but as stated if a new member state is trying to fast track membership and negotiate a number of beneficial opt-outs / issues without huge political capital it seems unlikely they would be that effective.

If Scotland are treated differently because they're seceding from a member or similar then they may be under different conditions to new members.

This particular debate is about more than Scotland and independence.

Also I don't think it's particularly beneficial for the side of the debate which claims to be that of truth, evidence and justice (as you have done in this thread) to respond in a manner which basically just suggests "we're special so we can ignore EU joining procedures".

By the way before you accuse me of bias, if I lived in Scotland, I'd vote Yes.
DuffMan
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14284 posts since 21/2/07

11 Sep 2014 11:25
This is also an interesting article, though it seems vaguely far-fetched given the level of opposition from the UK if it's still a member by then:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10935617/After-2020-all-EU-members-will-have-to-adopt-the-euro.html
Noble Locks
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66963 posts since 10/7/03

11 Sep 2014 11:26
It will never happen but i would love it too. Just to show this cunt country that everyone hates it really but they are just scared/brainwashed since time began..
collizhun
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3880 posts since 19/10/06

posted 11 Sep 2014 11:29, edited 11 Sep 2014 11:29
cant everyone just chill and stop trying to change everything all the time. might be a small minded and uneducated view but isnt it just going to be loads of upheavel and costs on what ultimately is not going to chnage the lives of many scots in reality?
Mrtyn
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969 posts since 30/1/14

11 Sep 2014 11:30
It's nothing to do with being special it's about the situation being different. For many reasons there is no way that Scotland will be vetoed out of the EU. It is in the EUs best interest, as well as our own, to have membership granted with minimal fuss and delay. No one will want to make things any more difficult than they need to.

The Spanish Foreign minister has already said that he sees our situations as 'profoundly different'. That isn't concrete but I doubt he would have said that if he was against us joining. Cards are being kept close to chests until the outcome is decided. Unfortunately that doesn't help either side.
Noble Locks
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posted 11 Sep 2014 11:31, edited 11 Sep 2014 11:31
Wonder what it would do to heron prices/availability?
CovOne
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8652 posts since 17/8/04

11 Sep 2014 12:17
Martyn in your opinion where's the sense in political independence yet financial union. Can you have both, will all parties allow both?

To me both sides seem to be running this as some sort of general election with of course it is far from it.
Hi-Definition
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1703 posts since 6/12/08

11 Sep 2014 12:22
This referendum IMO has been great for Scotland either way. The amount of flags, talk in the street and grassroots campaigning is something I have never seen in my life. Great thing to be part of and I hope either way it gets more people involved in having a say on the big issues and getting involved with regards to voting etc. An 80%+ turnout would be incredible.
MuayThaiPimp
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7925 posts since 10/8/11

11 Sep 2014 12:27
collizhun wrote: cant everyone just chill and stop trying to change everything all the time. might be a small minded and uneducated view but isnt it just going to be loads of upheavel and costs on what ultimately is not going to chnage the lives of many scots in reality?

Clearly you did not watch Braveheart!!!
Mrtyn
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969 posts since 30/1/14

11 Sep 2014 13:26
CovOne wrote: Martyn in your opinion where's the sense in political independence yet financial union. Can you have both, will all parties allow both?

Put simply Scotland has contributed vast amounts to the UK economy. We get given a set budget by the government. Far less than we put in. We'd have more money to play with on our own and could spend it as best suits our needs.

It wouldn't be fair for us to just walk away when our share of the UK assets is 8.4%. If a currency union was denied we'd still be owed our share. How would that be done? That is just part of the reason why a currency union makes sense.
Mrtyn
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969 posts since 30/1/14

11 Sep 2014 13:48
'It's my view as chief executive that any decision to move our registered headquarters would have no impact on everyday banking services used by customers in Scotland.

"'This is a technical procedure regarding the location of our registered head office, based on our current strategy and business plan. It is not an intention to move operations or jobs'."

RBS gaffer.
FLG
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5860 posts since 21/5/04

11 Sep 2014 20:21
George Galloway on BBC just now making an absolute cunt of it Laughing out loud
CovOne
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8652 posts since 17/8/04

11 Sep 2014 20:23
He makes some reference to Nazis at one point too which leads to him being booed
Byte
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2914 posts since 16/6/10

11 Sep 2014 20:24
He just looks like the stereotypical bad guy even with that fucking hat Laughing out loud
deuce
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13688 posts since 21/1/08

11 Sep 2014 20:31
If Scotland decide to stay in the UK, can we kick them out anyway?
trailofdavid
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6334 posts since 14/8/09

11 Sep 2014 20:31
Proper bellend Galloway
gbh-h
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11 Sep 2014 20:43