General Discussion: The Tennis Appreciation Thread


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Mr.X.
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posted 21 Nov 2016 08:12, edited 21 Nov 2016 08:12
That's all great but Fed and Rafa at their peak would beat him easily so if he's the best our country can do we're pretty shit.

With the exception of 100m Olympic sports are a joke.
padawan
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21 Nov 2016 10:00
…we're pretty shit?

Wha? this country is SPORT.

Without getting into the "is it a sport" debate. I just cant class Hamilton as great.
smith
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21 Nov 2016 11:31
Mr.X. wrote: That's all great but Fed and Rafa at their peak would beat him easily so if he's the best our country can do we're pretty shit.

This thread was only started because of Murray showing he was no longer a serial choker and capable of beating the World Number 1s (and then go on to beat Federer even when he reclaimed the number one spot from Nadal).

Still for me one of the greatest matches Murray has ever played.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INUnajp6e8c
snaye
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21 Nov 2016 12:57
Pretty sure it was a Wimbledon thread until you turned it into the 'I'd like to give Andy Murray a rimjob' thread
smith
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posted 21 Nov 2016 13:15, edited 21 Nov 2016 13:15
Nah. Was originally a love in for Murray thread.

The first post:
"He has now beaten Roger Federer for the FIFTH time today on the ATP tour. He knocked the current world number one out of the US Open last year to reach his first Grand Slam final. Now he knows he can beat the best can he go one step further this year and win his first Grand Slam? Watch this space"

The haters jumping in on the thread in the early days made it seem otherwise.

Wimbledon thread even overlapped this one.
https://www.fuk.co.uk/threads/wimbledon_2007_and_the_english_grass_court_season/10/

Not my fault the hate was so strong everyone jumped on this one saying he'd never win a single grand slam Cry
misled
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21 Nov 2016 13:37
Fed, Rafa and Nole are possibly the best players the sport has ever seen so to be in their time and still manage to keep going and reach these achievements shows amazing character and determination. Personally can't understand the hate, 3 grand slams, 2 olympic golds and No.1 in the world speaks for itself
RickRude
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21 Nov 2016 15:10
snaye wrote: Pretty sure it was a Wimbledon thread until you turned it into the 'I'd like to give Andy Murray a rimjob' thread

Smith and Stoney own this thread
smith
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11409 posts since 5/5/04

21 Nov 2016 16:12
Even stoney wasnt a believer in the early years. But yes he did come join me in the end Eye-wink

stoney wrote: not really, only if he made it to number one, but he wont, and until he wins a biggie he will be an almost man.


stoney wrote: do these masters titles really matter ? at the end of the day he will be judged on major sucess, and he hasn't delivered, the 'better' guys always seem able to raise thier games in the big events. To really become a contender, he has to step up at the next level.
stoney
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21 Nov 2016 17:54
True. I'm not quite rimming him yet but I'm a fan.

Got a good start to the year, not many points to defend so looks good.
adidaskev
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posted 21 Nov 2016 22:03, edited 21 Nov 2016 22:03
misled wrote: Fed, Rafa and Nole are possibly the best players the sport has ever seen so to be in their time and still manage to keep going and reach these achievements shows amazing character and determination. Personally can't understand the hate, 3 grand slams, 2 olympic golds and No.1 in the world speaks for itself

Exactly. Three of the all time greats ever all in Andy's era yet he's still managed slams, olympics & almost every ATP tour. He's close to winning ever tournament on the tennis calendar, if he did it he'd be the first ever.

Problem with the whole 'greatest british player ever' thing is that other sports have different variables etc. so it's chalk and cheese to an extent. Farah & Hoy are up there but you could argue about teams helping Redgrave, Hamilton, Wiggins.


I presume he'll be ploughing a shitload of practise into clay after a break off as that's the one he wants to win next season. Hopefully he can, improved a lot this season on it.
misled
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22 Nov 2016 10:54
He must be gunning for the Aus open too. Djok has ruled it for years but must be a good chance this Jan
jbscripts
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22 Nov 2016 12:05
"Hamilton needs to be in a team with someone as consistent and fast as him (vettel, riccardo, maxi) before he can be regarded an all time great. It's basically a two horse race every year."

I think that kinda answers itself - he's had the measure of Alonso, Button and Rosberg as teammates in his career. Despite a wobbly start to this year he's shown his class again (even if Rosberg probably deserves it more for consistency), and from my POV there's no doubt he's an all time great.

Don't disagree with your assessment of Murray though. It's been exciting to watch someone with the potential become number one. Hopefully it carries through to next year and more grand slams!
smith
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11409 posts since 5/5/04

22 Nov 2016 13:06
Welcome to the forum. And thanks for making your first post so long and sports related. Smiling That just got me thinking about when Button won which you could say to non-F1 fans was the equivalent of Leicester winning the league. But you have to give Ross Brawn nearly all the credit for that one. As managers/coaches of teams go I still to this day think he deserves more recognition for what he did there.
Mr.X.
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22 Nov 2016 17:01
He hasn't won all the slams, not a true great, yet. Everyone knows that's the barometer for a tennis legend.
stoney
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22 Nov 2016 17:39
I wonder where his place in the all time list is, top 40 maybe probs outside that. Deffo not tennis legend yet.
snaye
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22 Nov 2016 17:44
Who's number 1 on that list, Fed?
smith
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22 Nov 2016 18:50
Fed number 1 on my list.


stoney wrote: I wonder where his place in the all time list is, top 40 maybe probs outside that. Deffo not tennis legend yet.

26 players only achieved number 1 ranking come year end since the ranking system was introduced in 1973. So would have him top 30 at least.

You could argue that players like Fred Perry and Rod Laver played during the transition into the open Era, so some might even put Murray in a top 20 list of all time greats.
smith
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posted 22 Nov 2016 19:59, edited 22 Nov 2016 19:59
Let's also not forget Murray carrying the Davis Cup team. A competition Fred Perry won four times defending it three years in a row, three of which GB had a bye straight to the final as defending Champions.

Murray only had to help his team defeat the United States, France and Australia to get to the final last year. Oh and then win the final too. No bye this year to the final as defending Champions.

Am sure Perry or Laver would have a Gold medal or two had it been an Olympic sport during their careers though.

Mr.X. wrote: He hasn't won all the slams, not a true great, yet. Everyone knows that's the barometer for a tennis legend.

Given how brutal the tennis calendar is for players these days and the fact that Murray has had to bide his time with three tennis players who have achieved the Grand Slam (Fed, Djok, Nadal) , it really shouldn't be seen as a barometer of his success. Murray may well see out his career as having two more Olympic gold medals than two of the greatest tennis players of all time.
Mr.X.
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22 Nov 2016 23:48
The thing about the slams is that it encompasses all the surfaces. Olympics don't, Zica ruined Rio and in 2012 he had a home nation behind him as he does at Wimbledon each year.

His mum is annoying, she ain't Uncle Toni.
RickRude
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23 Nov 2016 00:11
Fucking hate his mum