the Denim is a bit different actually, not saying it doesn't stretch, the waist already has a bit. as with all jeans. but it's much more rigid than PS and different to touch. much less coated feeling/looking. also a darker shade of indigo.

I am normally a 33 or 34 in skinnies. i am 32 in these, I tried the 31 first but had to exchange them. they were MILES too small. couldn't even get my feet through the holes. having tried the 31s i no idea how grown a grown man could fit into 27s? i mean ffs like. must have the body of a teenage girl or something.

but yeah those in the picture are 32s fit is spot on. best pair of jeans i've ever had.

no point having jeans which don't fit you in the waist, if they're skin tight then they're obviously the wrong cut for your fat legs

asks for advice then ignores it

PNS for the anorexic crew. Fucking sizing is a joke normally with apc but with those its ridiculous. Like a fuker said earlier, they're not for grown men, unless you want your frank and beans to be on show all the time. I had to go true to get my legs through the damn things and they were still tighter than I'd like.

Just got the black selvedge apc ps. Best black jeans I've seen yet, better than cos, acne and on par with 3sixteen but lots cheaper.

Yeah, stretches less and shrinks less from what I recall. Been thinking of picking up black PS myself recently, going by previous advice I imagine I'm best to go with a 30 if I usually take a 28 or 29 in indigo APCs.

Anyone know anywhere else that stocks the washed black? End only have tiny sizes left.

Mr Porter have the faux noirs I think

I asked tbs and the pns arent selvedge unlike the ps and ns. Doesnt really matter but might be of interest.

Can I buy apcs in store at urban outfitters and then return to them for refund? Can't work out what their off line refund policy is. Cheers

I'm pretty sure UO give an either 14 day or 28 day refund policy at any store. I think it's the full refund on either card / cash rather than credit too.