General Discussion: Black Lives Matter


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MLI
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5173 posts since 6/10/09

10 Jun 2020 10:09
Mr.X. wrote: BEST, your thoughts on BLM would be helpful. Thanks for posting, don’t be silent.

To those trying to shut down the thread thinking this isn’t the place for it, you must realise it is. More so than what you’re wearing today, watches and what company you’re investing in to try and become FIRE.

Don’t hide. Admit your white privilege, silence = siding with racists.

I'm not fucking silent. Keep this thread open. I can fucking shit on your dumb fucking racist activist ideas from a great height. You're like a sitting fucking retarded duck.
Mr.X.
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3069 posts since 23/6/13

posted 10 Jun 2020 10:17, edited 10 Jun 2020 10:17
MLI it’s been written already but I will repeat for you and others:

White people in all forms benefit from creating a system of superiority as direct result of actions of our ancestors. BAME are the victims and will continue to be so without a change. We need equality and will only get it by looking introspectively to change ourselves.

No matter how impoverished you think you are the BAME community will always come 2nd because of inherent racism.

edit. Please excuse any typo's and poor grammar. I'm writing rapidly from a phone at work but feel strongly enough to take time out to write here. If you didn't know already.. I have a job, a wife and a life outside of FUK.co.uk.
Dreep
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1645 posts since 29/7/08

10 Jun 2020 10:42
MLI wrote:
joeyjojo wrote: No I’m asking you to explain why black people are 3x likely to be arrested, and likewise are disproportionate amount of black people in prison to.

In Australia it's because they are told to be victims. By the welfare system and the activists.

They are the real racists. The government and the activists. I'm not fucking kidding.

I work with a black guy from Africa who started a few months ago. Do I give him the time of day? Fuck no. Introduced myself when he started and barely talked to him since. Same as I wouldn't give the new white kid the time of day, if I treated the black guy any different to anyone else that woulda been racist in my opinion. I didn't even think about it until all this shit came up.

To me people are always individuals, not races. Some fucking people just can't fathom that.

I'll tell ya why I am that way, And don't fucking tell me my experience is nothing because I'm white, I'm just as worthy as Sayword to have a fucking opinion on this, It's because I have lived in 100 different share houses with 100 different ethnicities, 1000s of different personalities. I worked in different countries, sometimes as a minority myself. My fucking conclusions is, based on evidence is that there is one race, the human fucking race and everything else is based on culture, family and health. Nothing fucking else matters. Race doesn't fucking matter 99% of the time. That Floyd coulda been a fat white kid. There woulda been no protests.

Police abuse every race every day. Fuck Police.

But don't put black people on a pedestal, that's fucking racist and condescending. They're just fucking people, no better or worse than any one else.


Probably the only thing you've ever posted that I whole heartedly agree with. Cool
MLI
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5173 posts since 6/10/09

posted 10 Jun 2020 10:54, edited 10 Jun 2020 10:54
word, Dreep.

Mr.X. wrote: MLI it’s been written already but I will repeat for you and others:

White people in all forms benefit from creating a system of superiority as direct result of actions of our ancestors. BAME are the victims and will continue to be so without a change. We need equality and will only get it by looking introspectively to change ourselves.

No matter how impoverished you think you are the BAME community will always come 2nd because of inherent racism.

edit. Please excuse any typo's and poor grammar. I'm writing rapidly from a phone at work but feel strongly enough to take time out to write here. If you didn't know already.. I have a job, a wife and a life outside of FUK.co.uk.

You are a fucktard, a retard and a dumb fuck
morgan
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1116 posts since 22/2/11

10 Jun 2020 11:39
I agree with MILs post but it’s besides the point.

That’s not the way the system sees BAME people.
And the problem isn’t the majority of white people per se.

It’s the whole system that’s got inherent prejudice. White people are just passive about the system because they either don’t see it or don’t care.

That’s not racism. It’s indifference. Still shit either way.
Sayword
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5357 posts since 1/4/07

posted 10 Jun 2020 12:01, edited 10 Jun 2020 12:01
I can't be racists, I can't inflect systems that enforce my beliefs, like white people can and do, and or destroy that same system, in which white, indian, asian and even black people get benefits from, by upholding said system.

Is what I said bigoted? sure ill take that.

I'm sorry if what I said about white people, which is all true, isn't as palatable as you all would like. It's kind of why we are all in this situation. A refusal to talk about why white people continue to uphold a system of non justice.


I think it's real cute that many people believe that they are not racist, nor have racist friends. If that was the case anti-black racism wouldn't exist. If all of these so-called white people in the streets cared about racism, nobody would be in the streets.

again I have no problem with white people, especially the people here at fuk. but that doesn't mean that I don't recognize most white people for who and what they are.
RickRude
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3813 posts since 13/1/12

10 Jun 2020 12:20
Where to start. Rez the stage is yours
figurine
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5991 posts since 14/5/07

10 Jun 2020 12:26
Sayword wrote: I think it's real cute that many people believe that they are not racist, nor have racist friends. If that was the case anti-black racism wouldn't exist.

I don't have AIDS, nor do any of my friends, does that mean AIDS doesn't exist?
Sayword
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5357 posts since 1/4/07

10 Jun 2020 12:35
figurine wrote:
Sayword wrote: I think it's real cute that many people believe that they are not racist, nor have racist friends. If that was the case anti-black racism wouldn't exist.

I don't have AIDS, nor do any of my friends, does that mean AIDS doesn't exist?

You've never heard any of your friends throughout your life say anything negative about another race? Nobody in your family has never said anything about another race?

And if so what did you do about it?
RickRude
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3813 posts since 13/1/12

10 Jun 2020 12:50
You can pose that same question to yourself though Sayword.
Sayword
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5357 posts since 1/4/07

posted 10 Jun 2020 13:14, edited 10 Jun 2020 13:14
RickRude wrote: You can pose that same question to yourself though Sayword.
I'm only around black people, other races do not come up, especially not disparagingly. The only time where anything bigoted would be exchanged, would be in an in-kind situation, meaning a back and forth situation like the one I had with fudgedred. If it is doled out, we reciprocate. There is no black message boards like 4chan or Reddit, or stormfront like whites and other races participate in.


you'll be surprised how much other races are not on black people's minds.
figurine
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5991 posts since 14/5/07

10 Jun 2020 13:18
Sayword wrote: you'll be surprised how much other races are not on black people's minds.

Yet all your posts in this thread are about white people?
Sayword
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5357 posts since 1/4/07

10 Jun 2020 13:38
figurine wrote:
Sayword wrote: you'll be surprised how much other races are not on black people's minds.

Yet all your posts in this thread are about white people?
in kind situation
Blanco87
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377 posts since 26/9/09

10 Jun 2020 13:43
Fucking yikes at this thread.

To those of you pushing back on this, do you genuinely think that the systems and institutions in this country (and the US and countless others) aren't unfairly weighted against people of colour? I'm not attributing intent here, I'm asking the question.

I've been in courts and witnessed disparities in sentences handed down to white and black offenders by white judges who have no identifiable justification for it. I've worked with kids in young offender institutions where the total number of cases incarcerated have gone down, but the number of BAME (a term I'm not a fan of btw) offenders have stayed the same.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/04/share-convicted-children-bame-doubles

Are we really just saying that all of this is down to "bad choices" on the part of the individuals?

The idea that structural and systemic racism doesn't exist anymore is just a total fallacy that can be dismissed with minimal research. Yeah, in an ideal world there wouldn't be any racism and equality would exist for all, but movements like BLM are happening because this shit isn't getting any better for a lot of people in a so-called progressive country.

We have a media that gives outright racists a platform in the name of "balance", an increasingly right-wing and irrational press and platforms that have essentially made fringe views mainstream now, so sorry if you're upset that a lot of people are willing to fight back against that.
Sayword
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5357 posts since 1/4/07

posted 10 Jun 2020 14:11, edited 10 Jun 2020 14:11
If there is black racism, where is the black stormfronts, 4chans, and reddits?

I remember a thread here on fuk specifically dedicated to 4chan in which members here participated in. Whether or not their contributions were racist is neither here nor there, the fact that there was contribution is being complicit, why contribute to a sight linked to the deaths of people in general, let alone based on race?


This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about, but no one wants to acknowledge. The system starts at the smallest level and relies on those who are complicit, even if the are silent and or indifferent.
morgan
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1116 posts since 22/2/11

10 Jun 2020 14:40
I think this thread shows we are pretty fucked.
We have a long long way to go.
pops
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4235 posts since 2/9/09

posted 10 Jun 2020 14:52, edited 10 Jun 2020 14:52
MLI wrote: You are a fucktard, a retard and a dumb fuck

Amen to this
sofashionmuchamaze
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847 posts since 12/12/13

10 Jun 2020 15:01
morgan wrote: I think this thread shows we are pretty fucked.
We have a long long way to go.

yep
Sayword
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5357 posts since 1/4/07

10 Jun 2020 15:02
morgan wrote: I think this thread shows we are pretty fucked.
We have a long long way to go.

I don't know if this is necessarily the case, all people need to do is stop being racist. It starts with something small like not contributing to sites like Reddit or 4chan; stopping anyone around you from being racist, or saying stereotypical derogatory things about groups of people.

then you could move towards not supporting the people you have in your parliament's, that are obviously white supremacist, and calling them out. Call out racism at your job. Be an advocate for all people, not just online, but in real life. Be the guy that people complain you are a social justice warrior, because there is nothing wrong with wanting a system of justice.

Once people, especially white people, are able to make this a habit, we can all do our part to help dismantle this capitalistic racist white supremacist system that we are living in.
morgan
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1116 posts since 22/2/11

10 Jun 2020 15:08
What can you do when fucking idiots vote in Johnson and Trump?

You can only sit back and see the populists fuck our countries over and spout racist bullshit.

I would love to overthrow our government but it ain’t happening any time soon.

I do call people out on racist bullshit, including my parents.

I think our best hope is millennials who seem to be pretty clued up now. I think we are good going forward (a generation) but this recent BLM uprising will get countered by far right cunts soon. The next few months will be interesting to say the least.