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CovOne
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8652 posts since 17/8/04

13 Aug 2012 19:13
For that to work you would have to create a whole new life, this is the biggest grind for people who work in education at the minute that we should be able to create ambition, behaviour, aspiration, positivity, drive etc when in reality we see the kids we are talking about for 3/4 hours a day sometimes 6 hours a week. Once their gone so many other influences act on them.
Crackajack
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7975 posts since 21/4/05

13 Aug 2012 19:21
Razorlight123 wrote:
CovOne wrote: I work with kids from Weoley Castle and all the other surrounding areas and you are right in the fact that they will be 3rd generation unemployed or uneducated but it is not just a family thing. Poor schooling, amenities, lack of money into the areas,no guidance on how to create a career etc etc the reasons are endless. Goes well beyond what happens behind their houses closed door though.


Edit: Just reread the post and I see you mention environment 2/3 times and I agree.

Take a kid from that environment and put him into king Edwards(One of the best schools in Birmingham) before he becomes accustom to the working class environment and I can assure you he'll/she'll will have greater aspirations.

It's not like these kids are stupid as well, they become raised to be stupid - they believe they can't do maths or write.

Razorlight123
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4997 posts since 13/1/10

13 Aug 2012 19:23
To be honest though, as fucked as it sounds, it benefits the society as whole. Without them the society would be fucked, who would perform the majority of the lower skilled jobs?!

If you started seeing an increase of those from working class move up - job opportunities for skilled jobs will decrease worse than it is at the moment.
sydneyking
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5056 posts since 26/9/09

13 Aug 2012 19:23
CovOne wrote: For that to work you would have to create a whole new life, this is the biggest grind for people who work in education at the minute that we should be able to create ambition, behaviour, aspiration, positivity, drive etc when in reality we see the kids we are talking about for 3/4 hours a day sometimes 6 hours a week. Once their gone so many other influences act on them.

I assume you're a Teacher? I agree with the last part however i do think that for that 3/4 hours per day you should be a source of positivity, a model of good behaviour, and be able to promote ambition and aspiration. Surely that's the reason people get into teaching in the first place?
Razorlight123
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4997 posts since 13/1/10

13 Aug 2012 19:29
Teachers can't be primarily responsible though, it's parents duty mainly.
CovOne
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8652 posts since 17/8/04

13 Aug 2012 19:34
I work in alternative provision basically with the worst behaved (or most failed depending on what way you look at it) kids in Birmingham. I see them for 4 hours a day. For 75% of them the reason I see them is due to education being a part of their conditions with youth offending. I build strong relationships, act as a positive male role model and try to challenge them to think or question their beliefs atleast once a day. If I can do that I feel as if I have had a good day with them.

They leave the centre and immediately are back into their world. A large proportion do not have beds to sleep on or a guaranteed meal and have no rules and boundaries. Those that do have beds make more money they I do shottin drugs or running with gangs in their own B postcode. 3 weeks ago one was caught in possession with a gun, at 15 how can you positively influence him when he knows and I know he will never be able to secure a job in the future. You can influence so much, massive changes need to be made well above the classroom to give these kids any chance.
sydneyking
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5056 posts since 26/9/09

13 Aug 2012 19:38
CovOne wrote: I build strong relationships, act as a positive male role model and try to challenge them to think or question their beliefs at least once a day.

Seriously, fair play to you. I couldn't do the job you do.


Razorlight123
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4997 posts since 13/1/10

13 Aug 2012 19:44
Same fair play, I seriously hate how the media portray that the problem is with them shutting down their 'social clubs' biggest bullshit. When I was young we'd go to these social clubs for an hour and continue 'playing' in the area.
CovOne
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8652 posts since 17/8/04

13 Aug 2012 19:45
Seriously not trying to be a martyr on the subject, these kids move in a whole different world to most of us. They only time they get any sort of support is when they are arrested. What good is that. Not sure if you know Druids Heath, Baverstock that end of town Razor?. Today I took 4 16 years olds, all gang affiliated/criminal records to Cadbury World of all places as a little bit of a summer treat as they didn't have to attend over the summer but have done. They proper loved it, acted like kids for once. 4/4 of them had never been either despite this world famous thing being 2 miles away.
Eswin
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204 posts since 1/8/10

13 Aug 2012 20:16
social mobility is practically nonexistant, more at eleven
DY
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9619 posts since 9/6/11

13 Aug 2012 20:19
Wow

All this over a racist skag head, did his parents put the needle in his arm?
deuce
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14051 posts since 21/1/08

13 Aug 2012 20:21
Foxtrot wrote: turned a doyle brunson into an A10 suited.
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Razorlight123
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13 Aug 2012 20:22
doomedyouth wrote: Wow

All this over a racist skag head, did his parents put the needle in his arm?

Metarphorically, yes.
Casper13
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1492 posts since 14/3/11

13 Aug 2012 20:25
Razorlight123 wrote:
doomedyouth wrote: Wow

All this over a racist skag head, did his parents put the needle in his arm?

Metarphorically, yes.

Physically, no.
DY
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13 Aug 2012 20:56
Razorlight123 wrote:
doomedyouth wrote: Wow

All this over a racist skag head, did his parents put the needle in his arm?

Metarphorically, yes.

can imagine it now

'hey son im so sorry bbz that i forgot your birthday, but i managed to get you some skag, daddys in prison and is on methadone thats why he cant be here for you or even recognise you anymore, i couldnt afford any needles as i got caught trying to steal them from the hospital, but if you look around on the floor you might find one, now get some salmons from the shop like a good boy'
Casper13
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13 Aug 2012 20:59
Razorlight123
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13 Aug 2012 21:05
Lol not to that extent but you get the geist
Trystero
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1633 posts since 1/8/07

13 Aug 2012 21:06
Razorlight, you need to start posting in here:
http://www.fuk.co.uk/threads/politics_thread?page=12

Thread needs a new resident retard since Fontelroy left.
Razorlight123
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4997 posts since 13/1/10

13 Aug 2012 21:23

If you don't agree with whats been said state why?
phikz
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3146 posts since 14/4/09

13 Aug 2012 22:41
As this is the CSB thread… I live right next to Woeley Castle. Razorlight, you're right about the lack of aspirations amongst the older generations in their life as there's very little diversity in the type of people in the area, there's the hard-working and unskilled, yet still in the shit of it type, or the dole type. Either way, there's very little inspiration there. I find most of the kids then tend to look left to their peers rather than up to their immediate elders, which is where the aspirations of the wrong type come from, selling drugs to push a whip etc is pretty much the furthest it goes. @Covone You're right about walking out of the classroom and straight back into their world and a lot lot more is needed outside of that. Can only do so much in the classroom which is tiny in comparison to the world that they shit eat and sleep in. It's a circular way of living which is made a million times worse by the feelings of some kind of warped contentment which runs through a lot of the people who live there with their council houses, handouts and quick unsustainable money.

Generally speaking though it's pretty accurate to say that you're likely to remain in the lower classes when you're born into such a secluded part of society that is the way it is. Don't get the retard comment and DY that's ridiculously ignorant.