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eazypz
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3208 posts since 16/4/10

posted 6 Jun 2020 22:45, edited 6 Jun 2020 22:45
I’m not for/against any side, I’m just regurgitating facts and reading the numbers.

Do you disagree with the above data?
As that’s what the logic is based on.

You said people of colour were stopped and searched / pulled over more than whites, but do you not think the statistics give part reason for that?
morning mist
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3318 posts since 29/5/05

6 Jun 2020 22:45
sodomgomorra wrote:
morning mist wrote: Well, he pretended there are no statistical support for systemic racism;

During the stop-and-frisk period in NY (2002-2019) over ~50% of the people stopped (per year) were black, ~30% latino and ~10% white.

Black people are pulled over when driving more often.

Black people get longer sentences.

…and so on

Non sequitur

Black people get longer sentences. This is after adjusting for type of crime and criminal history.

So it really does.
morning mist
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3318 posts since 29/5/05

6 Jun 2020 22:59
eazypz wrote: I’m not for/against any side, I’m just regurgitating facts and reading the numbers.

Do you disagree with the above data?
As that’s what the logic is based on.

It's numbers that are polluted by discrimination and racial profiling, so it's based on something flawed.

Read about the '94 crime bill and it's role in creating the system

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2019/05/10/469642/3-ways-1994-crime-bill-continues-hurt-communities-color/
nothingelseworked
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3551 posts since 21/2/10

6 Jun 2020 23:01
eazypz wrote: You said people of colour were stopped and searched / pulled over more than whites, but do you not think the statistics give part reason for that?

We're now getting closer. Why are they committing crime more?

Also, are there controls for socioeconomic circumstances in the data collection and analysis?
cb3012
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29 posts since 14/7/14

6 Jun 2020 23:03
eazypz wrote: You said people of colour were stopped and searched / pulled over more than whites, but do you not think the statistics give part reason for that?

… So you're saying black people are inherently more like to commit crime?
eazypz
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3208 posts since 16/4/10

6 Jun 2020 23:10
Read and digested.

But then what’s to stop me saying that the article you’ve just linked to is also flawed?

Where do we find the ‘correct’ statistics at all then?
Rez
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8253 posts since 5/4/09

posted 6 Jun 2020 23:19, edited 6 Jun 2020 23:19
deuce wrote: what's your opinion on that video rez?

Not on the people IN the video, but what's actually being said

One of the first things the other guy says is correcting himself to say that Freddy Gray wasn't killed, but that he died in a police van.

Like saying George Floyd wasn't killed, he just died with a knee on his neck.

Why should I even bother going into debating the stats they roll out when the people presenting the 'facts' demonstrate such an obvious bias.



deuce
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13865 posts since 21/1/08

6 Jun 2020 23:35
Can we bring back Kony? He’s still at large and no one seems to care anymore. Used to love that virtue meme Sad
deuce
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13865 posts since 21/1/08

posted 6 Jun 2020 23:35, edited 6 Jun 2020 23:35
What’s the solution Rez? Not to Kony, but to the systemic racism in America
morning mist
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3318 posts since 29/5/05

6 Jun 2020 23:51
eazypz wrote: Read and digested.

But then what’s to stop me saying that the article you’ve just linked to is also flawed?

Where do we find the ‘correct’ statistics at all then?

How is it flawed?

I don't believe we can find the 'correct' statistics that end all discussions. Statistics is dependent on context and for the context you have to work your way through the history of slavery, jim crow, segregation and so on…

This is a big read but worth it

https://segregationinamerica.eji.org/report/from-slavery-to-segregation.html
TIMDOT
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867 posts since 6/8/14

7 Jun 2020 00:05
https://twitter.com/y7nkook/status/1269025744707104768
MLI
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5173 posts since 6/10/09

posted 7 Jun 2020 00:45, edited 7 Jun 2020 00:45
nothingelseworked wrote:
MLI wrote: He never said it was a hoax if you actually look at what he actually said instead of what Google wants you to believe he said.

What did he say then? Enlighten us.

Well of course it's been wiped from google. The censoring of Alex Jones by online platforms is not a conspiracy it's a fact. Wikiquote says this:

"It took me about a year with Sandy Hook to come to grips with the fact that the whole thing was fake. I mean, I couldn't believe it. I knew they jumped on it, used the crisis, hyped it up. But then I did deep research and my gosh, it just pretty much didn't happen."

If you actually listen to the show the comment was in the wider context of a discussion about Sandy Hook being a false flag and instigated by leftists in the American government wanting to take away gun rights.

Alex NEVER said Sandy Hook didn't happen. He said it didn't happen (the way it was reported) and it was a plot by leftists in the US Government and a CIA op.

If that's true, I have no idea if it was, then it failed because the American constitution is too strong and Americans still have freedom because too many are willing to fight for it.

There's enough evidence that Port Arthur was an Australian false flag to make it plausible. Maybe the deep state over there got the idea from us? It worked here. We have almost 0 gun rights now but before 1992 we had the right to have a shed full of automatic weapons if we wanted to.

Martin Bryant, a loser, below average IQ, possible brain damage, with no military training, apparantly walked into a cafe with a licenced and registered AR-15, he got over 10 head shots with one magazine, that's something that the best special forces operators would be impressed by. Some of the pics available point to the shooter wearing a wig similar to Bryant's hair. Some reports point to multiple shooters. Possibly paid off or blackmailed SASR operators or some kind of ex military mercenaries paid handomely? It's plausible and Sandy Hook being a false flag is plausible. That's all Alex Jones was saying. He NEVER said the kids didn't die from being shot to death by automatic weapons, he agrees that happened. That the shooter was a mentally ill kid in the suburbs with access to daddy's AR15, that's all he's saying didn't happen.

I don't know the truth but I listen to all sides and have an open mind, maybe you should try it?

eazypz
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3208 posts since 16/4/10

7 Jun 2020 07:27
morning mist wrote:
eazypz wrote: Read and digested.

But then what’s to stop me saying that the article you’ve just linked to is also flawed?

Where do we find the ‘correct’ statistics at all then?

How is it flawed?

I don't believe we can find the 'correct' statistics that end all discussions. Statistics is dependent on context and for the context you have to work your way through the history of slavery, jim crow, segregation and so on…

This is a big read but worth it

https://segregationinamerica.eji.org/report/from-slavery-to-segregation.html

I’m not saying it is flawed, just what is stopping me from saying it is, just like you said to me.
The reason mine is and yours isn’t is purely down to opinion and bias.

My opinion of the whole situation is that blacks are racially profiled in the US.
Having been on a couple of holidays in Mexico, I’ve witnessed it first hand whilst talking with other couples about the US. I’m British indian, but they’ve been quite open about disliking black people due to crime statistics in their states (Oklahoma, Colorado and New Orleans from memory) which was shocking, being a person of colour. It came so naturally to them.

I do however also think that crying poverty doesn’t help. It’s very easy to blame everything else for your situation than to actually do something about it.

I’ll give that a read later.
deuce
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13865 posts since 21/1/08

7 Jun 2020 09:20
morning mist wrote:
eazypz wrote: I’m not for/against any side, I’m just regurgitating facts and reading the numbers.

Do you disagree with the above data?
As that’s what the logic is based on.

It's numbers that are polluted by discrimination and racial profiling, so it's based on something flawed.

Read about the '94 crime bill and it's role in creating the system

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2019/05/10/469642/3-ways-1994-crime-bill-continues-hurt-communities-color/

Democrats put this through didn’t they?
figurine
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5896 posts since 14/5/07

7 Jun 2020 09:30
And?
deuce
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13865 posts since 21/1/08

7 Jun 2020 09:34
I thought they were the good guys /non racist ones
morgan
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982 posts since 22/2/11

7 Jun 2020 09:36
MLI wrote: A loser, below average IQ, possible brain damage, with no military training.

Remind you of anyone?
figurine
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5896 posts since 14/5/07

7 Jun 2020 09:38
deuce wrote: I thought they were the good guys /non racist ones
Overly simple man holds overly simple opinions.
Rez
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8253 posts since 5/4/09

7 Jun 2020 09:43
deuce wrote: I thought they were the good guys /non racist ones

Someone's watched a few 'SJW Cringe Compilation' videos on YouTube and thinks it means they know something about politics Laughing out loud

Like to call this type of thinking 'box room brain'.
deuce
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13865 posts since 21/1/08

7 Jun 2020 09:45
Quite flattered you called me a man tbh. See, we can get along x

Genuinely thought politics was binary these days, good guys / bad guys etc