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Noble Locks
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66963 posts since 10/7/03

17 Sep 2009 12:14
such bollocks isnt it? really is pure rape and pillage…they must be making sheer billions out of just sticking charges on everything that aint a letter form the states, aint it.
Hello World
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12100 posts since 7/3/05

17 Sep 2009 12:17
also

5.3 Re-importation of goods temporarily exported for process or repair

If you re-import goods that were temporarily exported outside the EC territory for repair, service, making up or processing see Notice 702/9 VAT: Imports Customs procedures with economic impact, End Use Relief and free zones, section 7. You can find the duty relief procedures and entry procedures in Notice 235 - Outward processing Relief.

5.4 Goods re-imported in the same state

If you re-import your own goods in the same state as they were exported, you need not pay import VAT provided:

* the goods were last exported from the EC by you or on your behalf; and
* the goods meet conditions 2-5 in the checklist for customs duty Returned Goods Relief in section 5 of Notice 236, Importing returned goods free of duty and VAT; and
* any import VAT chargeable on the goods was accounted for or paid and neither has been, nor will be reclaimed; and
* the goods were not exported with a view to avoiding or abusing the normal VAT supply rules by using Returned Goods Relief.

This relief is intended primarily to avoid import VAT having to be paid and reclaimed, perhaps several times, for example, on goods taken outside the EC on approval and brought back unsold or on tools and equipment returned after use outside the EC.

There are various returned goods reliefs, each of which has its set of limiting conditions, and in certain circumstances you may have a choice of more than one. A complete list of returned goods relief Customs Procedure Codes detailing the type of procedure for which goods may be entered can be found in Volume 3, Appendix E of HM Revenue and Customs Tariff. You will find details of the entry procedures for claiming relief on reimported goods in Notice 236: Importing returned goods free of duty and VAT.
superbe
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1015 posts since 5/6/08

17 Sep 2009 12:23
Andydavidleeroth

I've been shipping stuff around for years and what you are decribing is totally normal. If you were a VAT registered business you'd get that money back.

The 'clearance fee' is Parcelforce charging you what HMRC charged them.

VAT was paid on them but not by so you cannot counter charge.

It's not fair but totally normal on imports to pay these fees.

In future you should get the person to add a customs invoice stating "samples/gift NO COMMERCIAL VALUE"

That will get you out of the VAT but not the other charges.

If people in this country understood how much VAT impacts their lives they would be livid it is the most punishing tax on consumers and any maoney made out of it by the government is drained away from small businesses who have to pay accountants to manage their tax collection for free!
Hello World
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12100 posts since 7/3/05

17 Sep 2009 12:24
4.4 Can I claim RGR on goods reimported by post?

Yes. The same conditions for relief apply but the procedures are slightly different.

For goods arriving by post, ask your sender, if possible, to mark the package:

‘RETURNED GOODS’

A customs declaration (CN22 or CN23) must be attached to the package or travel with it. The declaration must include a complete and accurate description of the goods, their quantity and value. If you are registered for VAT, make sure your VAT number is quoted on the declaration.

Depending on the value of the goods, we may send you Form C88 and/or simplified forms to complete and return. If you previously exported the goods, and have a certificate of posting or other export evidence (paragraph 3.1), send that with the completed forms too. If satisfied the goods qualify for relief, we will then release them for delivery free of duty and VAT if appropriate.

If the package is not clearly marked it may not be delivered until you have paid the duty and VAT. You should pay these charges and then write to Revenue and Customs at the postal depot where the goods arrived. Say what happened and enclose the document showing the charges together with any evidence of previous export. If we are satisfied the goods qualify for relief, we will repay the duty and VAT if appropriate.

We provide full details about our postal procedures in Notice 143 A guide for international post users.
Noble Locks
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66963 posts since 10/7/03

17 Sep 2009 12:27
superbe wrote: In future you should get the person to add a customs invoice stating "samples/gift NO COMMERCIAL VALUE"
cheers, next time i go to disneyland and leave my jacket on the back of the chair when i leave ill proper remember this. Cool
Hello World
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12100 posts since 7/3/05

17 Sep 2009 12:28
So basically you pay it, then write to customs showing you paid it, with evidence you went on holiday / stsyed abroad there near the time and some form of recipt / proof of purcase in the UK, then they will give it back to you.

Of course if you asked them to send it "returned goods" and filled out the forms it would be all gravy. but who is aware of that!

Laughing out loud
Hello World
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12100 posts since 7/3/05

17 Sep 2009 12:29
Noble Locks wrote:
superbe wrote: In future you should get the person to add a customs invoice stating "samples/gift NO COMMERCIAL VALUE"
cheers, next time i go to disneyland and leave my jacket on the back of the chair when i leave ill proper remember this. Cool

nah, my advice above is the official way to do it.
Noble Locks
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66963 posts since 10/7/03

17 Sep 2009 12:40
thnks for all the advise, but this is why they make they billions, cos no cunt can be arsed to do allt hat over a score…just payed it. Evil
superbe
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1015 posts since 5/6/08

17 Sep 2009 15:08
I'm not being funny but in my last business I was averaging £3-5k a month on Fed Ex from various countries. I have a pretty good understanding of how to play the system. If you are VAT registered it's irrelevant as you claim back the VAT at each quarterly return. If you are just an individual buying somethign from abroad the NO COMMERCIAL VALUE way is the only way to dodge the VAT.

All imported goods are subject to duty that end consumers cannot reclaim.

PEACE OUT
andydavidleeroth
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1691 posts since 30/11/03

17 Sep 2009 15:53
superbe wrote: Andydavidleeroth

I've been shipping stuff around for years and what you are decribing is totally normal. If you were a VAT registered business you'd get that money back.

The 'clearance fee' is Parcelforce charging you what HMRC charged them.

"there appears to be a case for saying that a postal operator may be acting illegally if it retains an item in order to claim its clearance fee"

I can understand the Vat, but parcelforce fuckers are blatently profiteering. They are holding ransom your shit.
andydavidleeroth
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1691 posts since 30/11/03

17 Sep 2009 16:15
september 3rd 2009 consumer direct

"You can dispute the clearance fee which has been levied by Parcelforce, they cannot withold your item once you have paid the customs charge."


deuce
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13669 posts since 21/1/08

22 Sep 2009 09:22
how are customs charges calculated? is it a percentage of the value of the item, a set fee or what?
just got a knit from lad musician and had to pay £23, just ordered 2 more things from lad which are much more expensive and am expecting an ass raping. I did advise to mark the value down and state as a gift, but only on the second package.
superbe
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1015 posts since 5/6/08

22 Sep 2009 09:30
andydavidleeroth wrote:
superbe wrote: Andydavidleeroth

I've been shipping stuff around for years and what you are decribing is totally normal. If you were a VAT registered business you'd get that money back.

The 'clearance fee' is Parcelforce charging you what HMRC charged them.

"there appears to be a case for saying that a postal operator may be acting illegally if it retains an item in order to claim its clearance fee"

I can understand the Vat, but parcelforce fuckers are blatently profiteering. They are holding ransom your shit.

In the UK Parcelforce is how a lot of foreign Fed Ex type business complete their delivery so they are slightly different to the regular post office. I used to buy a lot of stuff out of China and Korea. It would leave as EMS and arrive as Parcelforce. It's completely legit for PF to charge clearance fees as it all has to go through HMRC and they are just passing on the charges they have sustained.

HMRC charge x% for everything and it's so complicated that the x% is different for every catagory of goods. Everything has a different code. Wool socks have a different code from cotton socks it's mind numbing. Being charged £20 for PF to do the clearance is fair enough when you see the paperwork that has to be completed.

The whole system is mind numbing rape. For example I would import an item of clothing from China. First off I would have to pay 'tariff' which is a tax to make Chinese goods closer in price to EU goods as it leaves China. The factory only gets a certain quota of tarriff each year so their exports are limited. Then once the item crossed EU borders I would pay x% non-recoverable import tax and VAT which I can claim back but still have to finance in the meantime. Then when I sell the goods to you I have to charge you VAT. Tax on tax on tax. If business was allowed to operate freely most of what we buy would cost at least 40% less than it does…think about that in terms of Primark!
joe151
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6230 posts since 21/2/07

28 Oct 2009 13:38
does this mean the item is awaiting customs?

Arrived Abroad, October 26, 2009, 7:49 am, GREAT BRITAIN
International Dispatch, October 24, 2009, 9:09 am, ISC NEW YORK NY(USPS)
jplxx
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1187 posts since 3/11/09

26 May 2010 09:00
I bought a pair of shoes from america and the seller marked them as gift but I just looked up the tracking and it says they have added fees to it and I know its going to be like £20 custom tax which I'm not that bothered about but I hate the parcel force fuckers that add fucking £13.50 to this.

like a few months ago I bought a pair of slippers which cost me like £11 custom tax and they added fucking £13.50 to it. fucking joke.
jplxx
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1187 posts since 3/11/09

26 May 2010 09:01
i read somewhere awhile ago if you refuse to pay for £13.50 and only pay the tax its ok because apparently the £13.50 thing is against the law?
jplxx
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1187 posts since 3/11/09

26 May 2010 09:02
http://psych0naut.livejournal.com/36270.html this was what i read.
siriusmo
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894 posts since 12/4/09

3 Jun 2010 07:22
"We attempted to deliver your item in GREAT BRITAIN at 1:21 AM on June 3, 2010."

Didn't know where to put this. Having something shipped USPS did they really try to deliver in the middle of the night (no note) or is it a mistake? I thought they used royal mail anyway Puzzled
jplxx
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1187 posts since 3/11/09

3 Jun 2010 09:29
its a mistake. thats probably the time they updated their systems.
nothingelseworked
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3260 posts since 21/2/10

3 Jun 2010 09:32
siriusmo wrote: "We attempted to deliver your item in GREAT BRITAIN at 1:21 AM on June 3, 2010."

Didn't know where to put this. Having something shipped USPS did they really try to deliver in the middle of the night (no note) or is it a mistake? I thought they used royal mail anyway Puzzled

Maybe they're using their local time? So if it came from West Coast USA that'd be 9:21am.