General Discussion: The Dead Celeb Thread


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smith
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9739 posts since 5/5/04

10 Apr 2013 12:30
^^^More proof if needed that cat's have a sixth sense!
CovOne
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8564 posts since 17/8/04

10 Apr 2013 12:32
sydneyking wrote:
Trent wrote: I watched friends parents celebrating in their back garden with neighbours they had never previously spoken to. That's how much it means to them.

Oh fuck off, did you watch people's grandparents celebrate when the elderly german couple who lived in the neighborhood popped their clogs? Fascist! you're talking bollocks pal. I asked the initial question as a matter of interest and for no other reason than that

Wasn't for a matter of interest either was it. What is bollocks about what Trent is saying out of interest?

As above I can remember John Major not Thatcher. Thatcher had an impact purely negative where I live so understandably people regard her with disdain.
gawkrodger
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6832 posts since 4/11/08

10 Apr 2013 12:37
It's important to note as well her policies have had such a devestating impact long after she has gone. Neo-liberal economic policy is now the norm, once vibrant working class communities still devestated etc
MrW
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2067 posts since 1/8/11

10 Apr 2013 12:39
Street parties and celebrating with people you've never spoken before? Doesn't change anything she's done. Puzzled

Would be more understandable if she dropped dead in the middle of her time as PM but all this time on, don't get it.

sydneyking wrote: Just interested to know how old people were when Maggie was PM?

Was born in '73, remember miners strikes, Falklands, IRA, if you see Sid tell him, yuppies and loadsamoney on Friday Night Live. My parents & grandparents though she was good but started to lose the plot towards the end. I've learnt more about her & her legacy in the last 72hrs than I've learnt in the last 30.
Trent
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1668 posts since 18/1/09

10 Apr 2013 12:40
sydneyking wrote:
Trent wrote: I watched friends parents celebrating in their back garden with neighbours they had never previously spoken to. That's how much it means to them.

Oh fuck off, did you watch people's grandparents celebrate when the elderly german couple who lived in the neighborhood popped their clogs? Fascist! you're talking bollocks pal. I asked the initial question as a matter of interest and for no other reason than that

They're all ex-miners. She crippled a mining town. What is difficult to understand, you're deluded to think that these people wouldn't celebrate. I'm sure MTP was in agreement, it was reported on the news that working class strong holds were celebrating. A quick search of my hometown and Thatcher brought up numerous articles, and not only from the last few days. I won't tell you to fuck off like a petulant child.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250216/Football-hooligan-miners-union-hardman-run-Labour-seat-party-veers-Left-election.html

“I turned 70 today and I couldn’t ask for a better present,” Mr Hopper told The Journal. “I waited a long time for this, the damage the woman did to this particular region and to coal mining was a disgrace. I have no sympathy for a woman whose policies will have contributed to thousands of early deaths.

“Time does nothing to soften this. I go round these communities and see villages with no work and horrendous social problems. That is her legacy.”

Mr Hopper said he was opening a bottle of Johnnie Walker whisky saved for 20 years for this occasion.



Read more: Journal Live http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-news/2013/04/09/miners-from-across-the-north-east-raised-a-glass-last-night-to-celebrate-the-death-of-margaret-thatcher-61634-33140365/#ixzz2Q3nCghca

sydneyking
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3301 posts since 26/9/09

10 Apr 2013 12:43
@ Covone. Sorry are you telling me i didn't ask the initial question out of interest? Puzzled I've already said i'm indifferent to the whole thing and have no problem with anyone commenting either positvely or negatively. The part which i classed as bollocks in trents post is the whole social celebration which i find rather vulgar
robii
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18857 posts since 8/9/06

10 Apr 2013 12:49
It may be "vulgar" but it shows the strength of hatred towards Thatcher that still exists
ilikeashirt
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1366 posts since 11/5/07

10 Apr 2013 12:51
sydneyking wrote: Just interested to know how old people were when Maggie was PM?

All I knew about her as PM when I was a young child was the fact that all school trips were cancelled as the other kids could not afford to go. Also me and a mate could not go to the community centre with the other lads on a Saturday dinner - they got a meal, but as a child of a teacher we were not allowed in.
Trent
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1668 posts since 18/1/09

10 Apr 2013 12:52
I thought you were saying "bollocks, it didn't happen". All I'm saying is it did and most likely will on the 17th. I won't be celebrating, vulgar or not. What I was trying to get across was in my area, she was blamed for alot and it was hard to ignore growing up.

There's a comedian taking the piss out of my area and the hatred for Thatcher on YouTube.


CovOne
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8564 posts since 17/8/04

10 Apr 2013 12:53
The quote from the other day about it being either a day for mourning or celebration and the posts on this page confirm, those who lived in areas ruined by Thatcher would piss on her grave if they had the chance and those areas who maybe benefited or at least didn't affect see it as vulgar.
AMK
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308 posts since 7/1/13

10 Apr 2013 13:10
Was Thatcher as horrendous as everyone says, during all 3 spells in office? Why was she continuously re-elected, when it seems as if it is the majority were hurt by her policies. Even with the voting system used in the UK, it seems like she should not have been re-elected on both general elections if nearly all of the population despised her?

Or was it after her reign, that the problems she caused started to come to fruition?
MuayThaiPimp
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7498 posts since 10/8/11

10 Apr 2013 13:27
Really? during and after! that defence which a few people have used is nonsense..history has plenty of examples of leaders being re-elected, that in itself does not equal popularity! Her actions/policies reached further than just England/UK
robii
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18857 posts since 8/9/06

10 Apr 2013 13:28
AMK wrote: Was Thatcher as horrendous as everyone says, during all 3 spells in office? Why was she continuously re-elected, when it seems as if it is the majority were hurt by her policies.

Because Labour were virtually unelectable
sydneyking
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3301 posts since 26/9/09

10 Apr 2013 13:35
Why was that Robii?
robii
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18857 posts since 8/9/06

10 Apr 2013 13:47
The public didn't trust them, they were too left wing, they had a reputation which they couldn't shake off, much like the Tories did during most of Tony Blair's time as PM. General elections are won on middle ground votes and those voters don't change allegiance overnight
FLG
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5780 posts since 21/5/04

10 Apr 2013 13:49
83, Quarreling within the party and some left to form a new party I think.
87, I am still confused how she won.
misled
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4105 posts since 3/1/02

10 Apr 2013 14:08
Falklands war helped win her an election.
gawkrodger
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6832 posts since 4/11/08

10 Apr 2013 14:55
no way in all hell she would have won in 83 without the Falklands
nick
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19716 posts since 2/5/03

10 Apr 2013 15:08
It must be pretty sad to carry that much hatred, for a person you've never met, for all those years.

MuayThaiPimp
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7498 posts since 10/8/11

10 Apr 2013 15:21
Huh! Puzzled should we change our opinion over time? it's not like it was someone we hated at achool