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Rez
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8704 posts since 5/4/09

posted 17 Jan 2021 20:24, edited 17 Jan 2021 20:24
Absolutely did not do that Laughing out loud
RickRude
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3908 posts since 13/1/12

posted 17 Jan 2021 20:26, edited 17 Jan 2021 20:26
Rez you chat some shit - get back in ya box.

You sound so self righteous it’s painful. Swede actually used the analogy in a terrible way. If you took the time to read back - I actually have agreed with Swede in this thread.

All you use is ad hominem attacks.

Still waiting for you to give your reply to my PM when you was shit scared to call out Saywords racial rhetoric.
Rez
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8704 posts since 5/4/09

17 Jan 2021 20:31
That's good to hear, and re: that onion article, I wasn't literally using the Iraq war as a comparison, merely that some people go at great lengths to explain something (like why a source that contains wild conspiracies might not be worth listening to re: covid), which is then met with silence on the other end.
deuce
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14051 posts since 21/1/08

17 Jan 2021 20:33
Rez wrote: If you don't think using an analogy is helpful, or the sign that an argument is invalid, then I think it shows you're pretty desperate to shut someone down.
isnt this exactly what you're trying to do with the whole 'congratulations you watched youtube rofl' type comments? isnt it just a 'shame tactic' to insinuate someones opinion is less valued that yours or ill informed? its a pretty common tactic from the left to throw out insults or slurs to shut down a convo, e.g. 'racist', 'sexist' etc
deuce
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14051 posts since 21/1/08

17 Jan 2021 20:35
btw, yea we get it rez, you read the guardian and have a feminist t-shirt, give it a rest yeh
Rez
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8704 posts since 5/4/09

17 Jan 2021 20:39
'Stop using shame tactics, you guardian reading feminist t-shirt wearer' Laughing out loud

Jords I do love ya man
RickRude
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3908 posts since 13/1/12

17 Jan 2021 20:41
deuce wrote: btw, yea we get it rez, you read the guardian and have a feminist t-shirt, give it a rest yeh

Laughing out loud Laughing out loud
deuce
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14051 posts since 21/1/08

17 Jan 2021 20:43
Rez wrote: 'Stop using shame tactics, you guardian reading feminist t-shirt wearer' Laughing out loud

Jords I do love ya man
for someone of such intelligence, you missed the irony here
swede
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9887 posts since 21/3/09

17 Jan 2021 21:00
deuce wrote: btw, yea we get it rez, you read the guardian and have a feminist t-shirt, give it a rest yeh


change the record jordan. get back to your painting your little right-wing figurines
Rez
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8704 posts since 5/4/09

17 Jan 2021 21:17
Can see we're at the 'he's thrown a kettle over a pub, what have you ever done' bit of this debate so let's move it on past the meta beef.

Have seen a lot of stats about who people blame over the second wave/spread, know this one is from last month but still interesting.

https://mobile.twitter.com/yougov/status/1341056675034374148?lang=en-gb

Do people on here think the gov or the public is to blame?
morning mist
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3521 posts since 29/5/05

17 Jan 2021 21:45
deuce wrote: its a pretty common tactic from the left to throw out insults or slurs to shut down a convo, e.g. 'racist', 'sexist' etc

yea,,,, gonna call BS on that

happens all the time on the left and right
deuce
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14051 posts since 21/1/08

17 Jan 2021 21:51
'gonna call bs on that'… 'happens all the time on the left'.

I'm glad we're in agreement then mate.
morning mist
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3521 posts since 29/5/05

17 Jan 2021 21:59
thumbsup
RickRude
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3908 posts since 13/1/12

17 Jan 2021 23:00
Rez wrote: Can see we're at the 'he's thrown a kettle over a pub, what have you ever done' bit of this debate so let's move it on past the meta beef.

Have seen a lot of stats about who people blame over the second wave/spread, know this one is from last month but still interesting.

https://mobile.twitter.com/yougov/status/1341056675034374148?lang=en-gb

Do people on here think the gov or the public is to blame?

Government- they are a shambles.
ismvil
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1880 posts since 16/9/11

posted 18 Jan 2021 09:00, edited 18 Jan 2021 09:00
Lol @ the suggestion that it's the public. Are the people on this island such special snowflakes that with a functional, government response we'd still be so far up shit creek? It's laughably naive but then again people are buying it.
Rez
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8704 posts since 5/4/09

18 Jan 2021 10:52
I think initially it's because there's not much to actually do to help people process this kind of trauma.

A lot of brits have built up the mythos of 'blitz spirit' but I think that can only be tapped into when you can be organised and actively help your community. Someone's house gets caved in. You can at least help dig through the rubble. You can come together.

Instead we're told the only thing you can do to help beat the virus is to stay inside and not be selfish.

As a culture, we've glorified consumer choice and spending (look at the size of our retail/service sector) to the point where there's very little public space that isn't commodified - so if you take away those choices people feel seriously limited.

If your boss tells you to come in, there's not much you can do at all. If you get sick, you have to choose between being responsible and staying in, or losing two weeks wages (and receiving one of the the lowest statutory sick pay in Europe), you'll lose even more work if your gig economy/algorithm based as your time off will deproioritise you in the app.

As a parent, you've had conflicting advice about sending your kids into school - and suppressed data which is only just coming out about how it's responsible for a lot of community transmissions.

Taking a wider view, and as someone who works in the ad/media industry, it's been very clear that this government is over investing in slogans and communications, over other countries who have done just fine without. The government is still spending, acting and talking like they're in election campaign mode to keep their base of about 40% energised. This week they're talking about offering statues of slavers protection - wasting time debating an issue when 100,000 people have died.

The health advice has often been contradictory (take wearing a mask vs. not wearing a mask for example) - and because the government is in campaign mode they've never admitted when they've been wrong, which is really hard to stomach. If you say something, then say the opposite, but don't acknowledge that what you said in the first place was wrong, why should anyone trust you going forward? It's hard to follow, and confusing for the 60% of people who aren't primed to support the government through any activity.

Finally, I think the last ten years of austerity and cuts have really limited people's imagination for what a government can and should do. If, outside of a crisis, you can't rely on a government to adhere to safety regulations seriously (grenfell), or to treat its elders with dignity (Windrush), with declining services and shoddy infrastructure, or housing stock that never gets built. If the government can't look after us in normal times, why should they be responsible during a pandemic?

If anything, for many the purpose of a government is to provide the latest culture war talking points. The tories can't do anything tangible for me besides keeping taxes low, but they can do things which winds up the people I don't like.

Think a lot of these things have played a factor in people choosing to blame each other than the gov, probably more but that's just off the top of my head. Also think the media has been very culpable - e.g taking shots of people at the beach, during a time when over 50% of people were still going to the office.
RickRude
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3908 posts since 13/1/12

18 Jan 2021 11:10
Everything you have written I 100% agree with.

This government trying to shift the blame on to the public - so blatantly as well - whilst flouting the rules they claim are vital in saving lives. Spin Doctors be spinning.
Kadafi39
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2011 posts since 30/10/09

18 Jan 2021 14:50
https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/norway-concern-pfizer-vaccine/

29 dead in Norway after vaccine.

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/europe/10-dead-in-germany-within-4-days-of-covid-19-vaccine-inoculation-probe-ordered.html

10 Dead in Germany.

EssexBoyII
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7181 posts since 5/6/07

18 Jan 2021 14:51
Disagree, whether you think the government is a shambles or not (I do for the record) but people have shown that they are generally fucking idiots as well
swede
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9887 posts since 21/3/09

18 Jan 2021 15:18

all with serious underlying health problems… will be interesting to see how it pans out though for sure