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smith
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11464 posts since 5/5/04

posted 28 Jul 2021 19:35, edited 28 Jul 2021 19:35
-DiscoTits- wrote: Don't really get the logic on that one above. Double vaxxed can still get and spread it. How is it suddenly OK now to not isolate? Either it always was or it never was.

Because the chance of infection is greatly reduced when two vaccinated people come into contact with one another.

Let me explain some more.

What we do know is that covid recovery time amongst the vaccinated testing positive is more than halved due to milder symptoms. Knowing that this leads to a much shorter period of the vaccinated person being infectious, when a covid-free vaccinated person comes into contact with them the odds of them getting infected are greatly reduced not only by this but there now being two barriers for the virus.

You can still get tested at any time if you are showing symptoms which is what the testing should only be used for IMO.


LFC wrote: Smith’s got no kids and never will have so he’s got fuck all to worry about if the side effects come

Interesting assumption to make. Did you know that 83% of over 18s in the UK have had the first dose and we are approaching 75% being double vaccinated by the end of August?

I guess I'm in the overwhelming majority of those in the UK who maybe can't have kids now or if I do they will have side effects.
eazypz
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3413 posts since 16/4/10

28 Jul 2021 19:44
-DiscoTits- wrote: Don't really get the logic on that one above. Double vaxxed can still get and spread it. How is it suddenly OK now to not isolate? Either it always was or it never was.

Apparently the chance of onward transmission is reduced by half if you're fully vaccinated, so quite a big difference.


LFC wrote: I find it stranger that people want it than don’t want it.

LFC, have you had the jab yet?
LFC
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5714 posts since 14/6/11

28 Jul 2021 19:47
It wasn’t an assumption Smith it was going off what you’ve said on here about not having kids. And I meant the side effects on you not future children.

No not had it eazy
eazypz
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3413 posts since 16/4/10

28 Jul 2021 19:52
Fair dos. To be honest, i felt the same way.
Just done it so I can go on holiday Laughing out loud
smith
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11464 posts since 5/5/04

28 Jul 2021 19:56
LFC wrote: It wasn’t an assumption Smith it was going off what you’ve said on here about not having kids. And I meant the side effects on you not future children.

No not had it eazy

I don't think I've ever said on here I don't want kids, only that I don't have kids right now. I'm not ruling it out for fear of what one vaccine might do when I've been vaccinated for a whole bunch of stuff for trips to South America and Africa already. Never been worried about side effects on me before so not now either.
RickRude
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3927 posts since 13/1/12

posted 28 Jul 2021 20:07, edited 28 Jul 2021 20:07
By mass vaccination we are creating antimicrobial resistance? When a new variant mutates and resists the vaccine - what happens then? Latest Sage meeting even suggested it’s a probability.

Also hilarious that mandatory vaccines won’t apply to House of Commons!

Oh and https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/26/exclusive-half-covid-hospitalisations-tested-positive-admission/
eazypz
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3413 posts since 16/4/10

28 Jul 2021 20:12
RickRude wrote: When a new variant mutates and resists the vaccine - what happens then? Latest Sage meeting even suggested it’s a probability.

Brother is a doctor and said every year they get around 10 different flu strains that they haven’t had before at the hospital every winter.
Don’t see why this would be any different really.
Rez
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8733 posts since 5/4/09

posted 28 Jul 2021 20:16, edited 28 Jul 2021 20:16
Lol why are we doing the whole vaccination= infertility or problems with kids thing, love you lfc but don't understand why you you keep bringing it up.
RickRude
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3927 posts since 13/1/12

posted 28 Jul 2021 20:23, edited 28 Jul 2021 20:23
eazypz wrote:
RickRude wrote: When a new variant mutates and resists the vaccine - what happens then? Latest Sage meeting even suggested it’s a probability.

Brother is a doctor and said every year they get around 10 different flu strains that they haven’t had before at the hospital every winter.
Don’t see why this would be any different really.

Are you saying Covid is like the Flu - Anti Vaxxer prick Laughing out loud

9. There are four major risks associated with high numbers of infections. These are an increase in hospitalisations and deaths, more ‘Long-COVID’; workforce absences (including in the NHS); and the increased risk of new variants emerging. The combination of high prevalence and high levels of vaccination creates the conditions in which an immune escape variant is most likely to emerge. The likelihood of this happening is unknown, but such a variant would present a significant risk both in the UK and internationally.

Hence why efficacy rates decrease with new variants
figurine
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6022 posts since 14/5/07

28 Jul 2021 20:26
RickRude wrote:
eazypz wrote:
RickRude wrote: When a new variant mutates and resists the vaccine - what happens then? Latest Sage meeting even suggested it’s a probability.

Brother is a doctor and said every year they get around 10 different flu strains that they haven’t had before at the hospital every winter.
Don’t see why this would be any different really.

Are you saying Covid is like the Flu - Anti Vaxxer prick Laughing out loud

9. There are four major risks associated with high numbers of infections. These are an increase in hospitalisations and deaths, more ‘Long-COVID’; workforce absences (including in the NHS); and the increased risk of new variants emerging. The combination of high prevalence and high levels of vaccination creates the conditions in which an immune escape variant is most likely to emerge. The likelihood of this happening is unknown, but such a variant would present a significant risk both in the UK and internationally.

Hence why efficacy rates decrease with new variants
Key words bolded for you Rick
RickRude
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3927 posts since 13/1/12

posted 28 Jul 2021 20:37, edited 28 Jul 2021 20:37
I posted it so I know what it says - the virus can still be prevalent even with high vaccinations - point is Sage have said that the conditions can create a variant - its there in black and white. All I’m pointing out - and so are our scientists - is that we could see viral immune escape.
figurine
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6022 posts since 14/5/07

28 Jul 2021 20:42
The answer is either restrictions or vaccine boosters adapted for new mutations. Can't see the former being accepted by an increasingly large proportion of the population. Fortunately anti vax nutters are a small but noisy minority.
LFC
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5714 posts since 14/6/11

posted 28 Jul 2021 20:49, edited 28 Jul 2021 20:49
Rez wrote: Lol why are we doing the whole vaccination= infertility or problems with kids thing, love you lfc but don't understand why you you keep bringing it up.

Nah I was talking about adults getting side effects later in life, and then not being able to take care of their kids. Like me, Dad to 3 young kids and want more. If I get that jab and end up ill in a few years from it, would it have been worth it? No it wouldn’t. There’s absolutely no way they’ve tested it properly. The whole thing from Autumn 2019 when it started to now has been a fuckin disaster.

Edit: just to add I’m not anti vax at all
figurine
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6022 posts since 14/5/07

28 Jul 2021 20:51
LFC wrote:
Rez wrote: Lol why are we doing the whole vaccination= infertility or problems with kids thing, love you lfc but don't understand why you you keep bringing it up.

Nah I was talking about adults getting side effects later in life, and then not being able to take care of their kids. Like me, Dad to 3 young kids and want more. If I get that jab and end up ill in a few years from it, would it have been worth it? No it wouldn’t. There’s absolutely no way they’ve tested it properly. The whole thing from Autumn 2019 when it started to now has been a fuckin disaster.

What are you basing that on?
LFC
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5714 posts since 14/6/11

28 Jul 2021 20:52
The fact it came out within months of covid, which means they haven’t tested it in to years of having it.
1234589
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960 posts since 1/6/10

28 Jul 2021 20:57
LFC wrote: How do you know to isolate if you’ve been near someone with it? From the app? Which means you’d have to willingly download it and take instruction from? If you didn’t have that telling you to, you’d never have to isolate anyway?

There’s two different contact tracing systems: Test and Trace is the main one. If someone tests positive they have to give contact details for everyone they know they were in close contact with during the previous 48hrs. T&T follow up those contacts by calling or texting, so if you’ve been in contact with someone who tests positive and they get in touch, you legally have to isolate (£1k fine if you don’t). The app is separate and an entirely voluntary system.

RickRude
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3927 posts since 13/1/12

28 Jul 2021 21:04
figurine wrote: The answer is either restrictions or vaccine boosters adapted for new mutations. Can't see the former being accepted by an increasingly large proportion of the population. Fortunately anti vax nutters are a small but noisy minority.

Yeah agree - that’s why “Freedom Day” could cause chaos and hard work pissed up the wall. Also you can’t put everyone into the anti vax buzz saw - we have all been critical of this government in here - but a strange phenomenon is now happening where critical of government legislation now makes you an anti vax alt right brexiteer
figurine
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6022 posts since 14/5/07

28 Jul 2021 21:07
LFC wrote: The fact it came out within months of covid, which means they haven’t tested it in to years of having it.
Do you have a scientific background?
LFC
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5714 posts since 14/6/11

28 Jul 2021 21:11
Laughing out loud

Rick asked why other people weren’t speaking about it. I’ve given my opinion and reason. I’m not in to discussing this type of thing mate so I’ll leave you to it. You ever need to smell good give me a shout.
RickRude
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3927 posts since 13/1/12

28 Jul 2021 21:18
Classic ad hominem attack from Figurine - like most of the people in here. Shambles. Echo Chamber sometimes because people like LFC are instantly attacked because their opinion doesn’t agree with yours. If we have all learned one thing from this pandemic - the science has been all over the shop and things are constantly changing!