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smith
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10973 posts since 5/5/04

10 Mar 2020 14:17
Yes. Everyone should be ashamed of themselves for sharing the Doctors story from inside a Bergamo hospital. None moreso than the Doctor for using Facebook as his reach! Shame on him!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-cases-deaths-doctor-panic-lombardy-bergamo-a9389911.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/10/just-doctors-trying-fight-tsunami-crashed-us/

https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/italian-doctor-at-heart-of-illness-shares-chilling-coronavirus-thoughts/

Shame on him for even existing too!

https://www.gavazzeni.it/medici/daniele-macchini/

themistake
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10747 posts since 20/2/06

10 Mar 2020 19:14
Do you know what responsible reporting is?

It’s not the NY times writing a story about someone’s account of a disease without a single character reference and picking out buzz words from a translation for dramatic effect. And then at the end of the article washing its hands of credibility with ‘according to Sky News’.

DuffMan
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14389 posts since 21/2/07

10 Mar 2020 21:52
Wait if it's so bad how come the number of new cases in China has already slowed to a crawl?
pentonville
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843 posts since 12/3/12

10 Mar 2020 21:59
Effective containment
fudge.dredd
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1427 posts since 15/12/12

11 Mar 2020 15:53
Another article on face masks..

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/comment/asia-face-mask-obsession/

I still don’t think this is as severe as, or is going to be as severe as its being made out. Of course with any new virus, the numbers are a moving target, but surely there are thousands of people who are not part of any stats due to them having it, not being tested and their bodies dealing with it.

We’ve had mass hysteria - even on here - over the past six months. From the Amazon fires, Australian bushfires, Iran/USA WW3 (shit was going to hit the fan, apparently), and so on. Not to mention the ongoing ‘worlds going to end’ bollocks of climate change.

We live in an age now of constant news and therefore, constant panic.

It isn’t about denial - its about looking at the stats and having a calm approach.

But you know, lets stock up on toilet paper. Because we can eat that when the government wont let us out of our houses.
fudge.dredd
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1427 posts since 15/12/12

11 Mar 2020 16:01
Taken from another article but the point is the same:

‘If you can believe the data on the coronavirus from the Chinese government, then it appears to be significantly less contagious than the current flu virus. How do we even know that those Chinese had the coronavirus and not the flu, since testing for this virus is just now being developed?

Remember, China is a Communist country with most people living in Third World conditions, which means poor hygiene, poor diet, poor medical care, poor reporting. Only the sickest seek medical care. There are probably hundreds of thousands of Chinese who had moderate symptoms and did not seek medical care. They didn’t want to be quarantined. This means that the mortality rate would be significantly lower, more on the order of the flu, 0.1-0.15 percent.

The symptoms of the coronavirus and the flu are similar; fever, body aches, fatigue, loss of appetite, sinus and chest congestion, and in some cases, shortness of breath. For most people who get the flu or the coronavirus, the symptoms usually resolve within a week. The infirmed elderly and those who are debilitated health-wise, with severe lung, heart disease, or diabetes tend be the individuals who experience serious problems when they contract the flu, or the coronavirus.

If you have these symptoms, then the odds of your having the coronavirus are slim and none. You have the flu until proven otherwise.’
illwill
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4057 posts since 17/5/04

11 Mar 2020 16:27
"article"
padawan
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4350 posts since 27/6/03

11 Mar 2020 16:33
doing the rounds…..

deuce
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13894 posts since 21/1/08

11 Mar 2020 16:38
fudge.dredd
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1427 posts since 15/12/12

11 Mar 2020 16:57
illwill wrote: "article"

Yes, it can still be an article if you don’t agree with the content.

fudge.dredd
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1427 posts since 15/12/12

posted 11 Mar 2020 16:58, edited 11 Mar 2020 16:58
DuffMan wrote: Wait if it's so bad how come the number of new cases in China has already slowed to a crawl?
pentonville wrote: Effective containment


‘…In the panic over coronavirus in Britain, we seem to have forgotten about China. There is a logic to that, of course. The argument goes that British and European cases are far closer to home. But if we were just a little more aware of what has been going on in China over the past few weeks we might be a little less-minded to panic.

In China, the epidemic is not over, but it is in very sharp decline. In the worst week – the second week of February – more than 3,000 people a day were being infected in a seemingly exponential upwards curve. But then the number of infections peaked and started to fall just as quickly as they rose. On Sunday, just 46 new cases of coronavirus were identified in the whole of China – fewer than in Britain for the first time. If you look at the cumulative infection rate, China is no longer the worst-affected country: South Korea, Italy and Iran all have more cases per capita.

We know that other viral illnesses such as flu tend to fall back when spring arrives, with viruses less able to survive outside the human body as the temperature rises
There are three possibilities. Firstly, either China is failing to report cases to the World Health Organisation (WHO) and is in effect fibbing about the extent of the outbreak.

Secondly, Chinese efforts to stem the epidemic, by closing cities and isolating people, have been stunningly successful or, thirdly, the disease is fading there of its own accord. To deal with the first of these, any statistics coming out of China must, of course, be read with a degree of scepticism – the country is not a democracy and we know what awaits those who stand up to the Communist regime. There were initial efforts to silence whistleblowers who identified the novel disease. On the other hand, China clearly was reporting surging cases of coronavirus to the WHO throughout January and February, so why should it suddenly have started suppressing them?

As for possibilities two and three, it wouldn’t be entirely surprising if China had succeeded in suppressing the epidemic: the measures taken have been drastic. Whole cities have been quarantined, public transport has been closed down, citizens forced into isolation whether they have the disease or not. The opportunities for the virus to spread have been seriously curtailed. But, on the other hand, might the epidemic have naturally run its course regardless of the intense efforts to fight it? After all, Sars and avian flu didn’t get very far, either – they peaked way before many feared they would.

There is a good reason to wonder whether there is a natural element to the decline of Covid-19 in China. We know that other viral illnesses such as flu tend to fall back when spring arrives, with viruses less able to survive outside the human body as the temperature rises. Hubei province, the seat of the disease, is in the centre of the country where spring arrives a little ahead of when it does in Britain. Daytime temperatures in recent days have been around 14 degrees celsius, several degrees higher than in Britain or in Lombardy, where the Italian outbreak is concentrated. It is nine degrees in Milan this afternoon and 11 degrees in Venice, falling to six degree celsius in Bolzano. It might be that coronavirus is simply responding to ordinary seasonal decline.

Either way, the Chinese experience is in sharp contrast to the panic being witnessed around the rest of the world. We are still being fed worst-case scenarios where 80 per cent of Britons catch the disease and 100,000 of us die from it. There is nothing in the Chinese experience to suggest this is remotely likely. In Hubei, only 20 per cent of the population caught the disease – and for the moment it seems unlikely that the total Chinese death toll will rise a lot further beyond the 3,100 who have so far succumbed. The question is, though, how much of the decline in China is due to drastic containment measures and how much is due to the natural limitations of this virus?’
morning mist
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3363 posts since 29/5/05

posted 11 Mar 2020 17:12, edited 11 Mar 2020 17:12
fudge.dredd wrote: its about looking at the stats and having a calm approach.
Laughing out loud
Dee
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11767 posts since 22/11/07

posted 11 Mar 2020 17:22, edited 11 Mar 2020 17:22
Surely China have been suppressing their figures, Iran too.

Italy closed their flights down immediately, nearly 2500 new cases in the last 24 hours alone. Fatalities now almost 7%. Sad
Sholto
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566 posts since 25/12/12

11 Mar 2020 17:27
Now officially labeled a pandemic by the WHO.

I think it's a bit of a case of "boy who cried wolf" - media has overhyped SARS, bird flu, foot n mouth, swine flu etc in the past to the point that as a population we are instinctively a bit tuned out and treating this as the next media hype.

It's also a bit of funny situation because if, thanks to the hard work of scientists, doctors, officials etc the spread of the virus is contained without infecting a massive amount of the population, then all the current naysayers will state "told you so" and feel vindicated - because of the people who do see it as a concern and have acted on it.

Dee
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11767 posts since 22/11/07

posted 11 Mar 2020 17:30, edited 11 Mar 2020 17:30
int figures published by Veneto on age groups and those requiring treatment.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1237125020700348422.html

https://medium.com/@davetroy/why-we-should-care-commonly-asked-questions-and-answers-about-covid-19-6b166f1876e9
Dee
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11767 posts since 22/11/07

posted 11 Mar 2020 17:46, edited 11 Mar 2020 17:46
I'd stick money on the UK going full on panic by end of next week, school's closed, carnage at supermarkets.

Reckon it's going to increase rapidly over the next few days in the UK, esp London.
Dee
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11767 posts since 22/11/07

11 Mar 2020 18:30
Italian medical chief dies after contracting virus
themistake
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10747 posts since 20/2/06

12 Mar 2020 02:21


Do you not think it would be wise for WHO to release these figures not someone on twitter translating?

I find it strange that a PSB like the BBC aren’t picking up on figures like these.

Weird when I look on BBC website they just have reporting stating confirmed cases and deaths, providing information that they all had underlying health issues and then it gives me information on how to protect myself. Then more information on the NHS planning.


I feel very relieved reading the BBC.


DuffMan
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14389 posts since 21/2/07

posted 12 Mar 2020 07:21, edited 12 Mar 2020 07:21
Dee's turning into Mil in his old age
Dee
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11767 posts since 22/11/07

12 Mar 2020 07:43
Eek