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nothingelseworked
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3552 posts since 21/2/10

posted 6 May 2020 19:10, edited 6 May 2020 19:10
deuce wrote: is it? is it not just a politcal rant/toys out the pram, overspilling from tories winning + brexit?

the reason i asked you if you had any working class mates, Rez, is because i think you're so out of touch in your own echo chamber, you're just as 'extreme' as the hard-right peeps. not all working class people vote labour, not all middle class 'hugos' vote tory. the sweeping generalisations are cringe as fuck

So your counterpoints are - ad hominem. Great stuff Laughing out loud

ismvil wrote: It wasn't hit on day 1, just loads of shit in the mail

Well yeah, but this is worse because they're not even hitting it with their fudged counting approach.
Rez
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8391 posts since 5/4/09

posted 6 May 2020 19:13, edited 6 May 2020 19:13
themistake wrote: So what’s the answer then Rez?

Continue the lockdown and furlough till a vaccine is found?

There’s going to be 7 weeks between Sunday and the end of furlough. That’s a really long time for companies and the gov to prepare to start trading again.

Other countries are continuing their job retention schemes for far longer, and at more generous percentage. Why are we out of step with the rest of the developed world? Didn't work well last time we struck out on our own, that's why we're in now at est. 50k + deaths


The aim would be to keep the lockdown in place until more robust Track, trace and test methods are in place, whilst also making sure r drops by keeping people at home. As you can see the gov currently can't even keep to their own botched level of tests, because they were using it as a PR win rather than duty of care.

Dropping the furlough scheme will be disastrous for anyone working in hospitality, pubs, etc. There will still be a lag of people not wanting to go to places, for good reason.

I don't think people realise on here that dropping it from 80 to 60 in some places in the UK will be absolutely disastrous for people keeping up with mortgages and rent.
Crackajack
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7792 posts since 21/4/05

6 May 2020 19:15
Fudge demanding people respond to his arguments after weeks of him ducking everything Laughing out loud
Rez
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8391 posts since 5/4/09

6 May 2020 19:18
But fudge…you said it was made in a lab.

And you said we've been stitched up by environmentalists.

If you think I'm misunderstanding you then maybe you need to communicate what you mean better.
Rirawin
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9474 posts since 17/7/05

posted 6 May 2020 20:15, edited 6 May 2020 20:15
Singapore and Hong Kong both had second waves. Hong Kong has contained it and Singapore are continuing to do so.

Taiwan too but their second wave was all imported, isolated and under control.
-DiscoTits-
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907 posts since 26/11/07

6 May 2020 20:57
fudge.dredd wrote: Are you lefties genuinely envious about my wealth?

Because I’m not that wealthy really.

Just wanted you know that.

lolololololololololwhatawankerlololololololololololol
Ocin
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1361 posts since 4/6/04

6 May 2020 22:02
It has been lovely by ours today, spent all day in the back garden then went for a leisurely walk across our local golf course. Not watched or listened to the news at all and feel great.

Just come on here while sipping a Yogi tea for 5 mins to check the latest and…yep - about to nope out of this thread!

Ommm
RickRude
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3758 posts since 13/1/12

posted 6 May 2020 23:48, edited 6 May 2020 23:48
deuce wrote: i'd even go as far as to say most hard-left people are infact middle class hugos

This
Crackajack
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7792 posts since 21/4/05

7 May 2020 07:30
Maybe but as long as you are working for the interests of the working class(es) then your own class shouldn't really matter.

Not sure why people need to gatekeep 'class' or the true support of classes like this - ah yeah, maybe because those with the wealth to control society constantly wish to sow division between everyone else. Wonder why Roll Eyes
Rez
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8391 posts since 5/4/09

7 May 2020 08:04
No Cracka I think you'll find you're only working class or can understand them if you like certain cultural markers, are white, not uni educated and have right wing politics…

I jest, but I know so many people like the above, who, despite their material circumstances placing them in the top earners, still think of themselves as more working class than most.

Most of them own businesses and are landlords.
Rez
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8391 posts since 5/4/09

7 May 2020 08:11
Just saying that our conception of class might be broken if we view Alan Sugar as the same class as a postman.
Tony
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984 posts since 28/10/08

7 May 2020 08:16
Do people think we do have the most deaths in Europe or are most countries figured cooked or inaccurate?
Mosoona
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355 posts since 25/5/15

posted 7 May 2020 08:25, edited 7 May 2020 08:25
Tony wrote: Do people think we do have the most deaths in Europe or are most countries figured cooked or inaccurate?

There was a Twitter thread yday on excess deaths (we're at about 50,000). In the replies the guy was saying that France's data is better than ours, Italy's probably worse and Germany's will be good but is slow.


FT has excess deaths at 43,000 guy above's 50k is based on extrapolating a bit more.

rural
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17746 posts since 26/9/06

7 May 2020 09:14
Italy definitely cooking the books on this one numbers wise. Probably many more deaths than the UK is my guess…
RickRude
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3758 posts since 13/1/12

posted 7 May 2020 10:02, edited 7 May 2020 10:02
Rez wrote: No Cracka I think you'll find you're only working class or can understand them if you like certain cultural markers, are white, not uni educated and have right wing politics…

I jest, but I know so many people like the above, who, despite their material circumstances placing them in the top earners, still think of themselves as more working class than most.

Most of them own businesses and are landlords.

You talk as if you are an arbiter of these discussions sometimes. I respect some of your opinions and you bring insight, but the first thing you tend to do is shoot down anyone with a difference in opinion to yourself rather than debate your point - you try to make a fool out of them.

It’s not about winning all the time, or being right or wrong.

Class is not always defined by wealth - you can be working class and a landlord. Material things don’t define your class ultimately. There are many layers to class.

It’s usually folk like you who seem to place people in a box and throw insults based on their different political, social, economic views. This forum has a history of doing that to people who don’t go with the status quo because they fear being insulted.

And you and a lot of others on here tend to always throw the white, right wing dig in - another left wing Hugo tact / and I’m not implying you are this btw.

Alan Sugar comes from a working class background - I don’t see the issue and why people like you get riled by this. Yes his wealth gravitates him to a higher socioeconomic level - but are you implying he can not identify as/or with working class.

Is class identification more rigid than gender identification out of interest?

Some topics need to be called out for questioning - like Fudge and Yourself have been. However most of the tactics of discussion here are ad-hominen attacks. (Classic Swede tactic)

Isn’t it better to deconstruct arguments?





Rez
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8391 posts since 5/4/09

7 May 2020 10:48
I would rather talk about the rona but I do really like your idea that you can define your own social class.

Jords that means I'm working class and all my mates are too Laughing out loud
RickRude
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3758 posts since 13/1/12

7 May 2020 11:12
Again - classic tactic of trying to ridicule. Used the word identify specifically.
exactlythat
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2344 posts since 27/10/07

7 May 2020 12:14
Maybe it's worth splitting 'identification' with class affectations from class 'function' in terms of power and economic role.

People feel strongly about class being about 'where they come from' but at the operational level class is about societal status and power, n that's empiric + objective.

Class at the function level probably comparable with biological sex, given the objective markers.

Class at an identity level probably comparable with gender, given the relationship to subjective meaning.
RickRude
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3758 posts since 13/1/12

posted 7 May 2020 12:37, edited 7 May 2020 12:37
exactlythat wrote: Maybe it's worth splitting 'identification' with class affectations from class 'function' in terms of power and economic role.

People feel strongly about class being about 'where they come from' but at the operational level class is about societal status and power, n that's empiric + objective.

Class at the function level probably comparable with biological sex, given the objective markers.

Class at an identity level probably comparable with gender, given the relationship to subjective meaning.

Take note Rez, deconstruction of some questions posed and instead of attacking or coming off as self-righteous, actually giving some thinking/knowledge/intellectual discussion.

@Exactlythat - so many ways of unpacking these things. What are your thoughts on the objective markers of class systems in socialism/socialist governments?
carl lewis
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23965 posts since 14/10/04

7 May 2020 12:37
A statement on behalf of the board of Notting Hill Carnival Ltd.

Like all events around the world, the COVID-19 pandemic has meant that Notting Hill Carnival has faced many challenges this year. After lengthy consultations with our strategic partners and our Advisory Council, the Board has taken the decision that this year’s Carnival will not take place on the streets of Notting Hill as it has done for over 50 years. This will also mean that Panorama, the annual steelband competition, will not take place.

Notting Hill Carnival was founded to bring people together during trying times, and we intend to continue that legacy. We are working towards an alternate NHC 2020 that we hope will bring the Carnival spirit to people from the safety of their homes, and make them feel connected and engaged.

This has not been an easy decision to make, but the reality of the COVID-19 pandemic and the way in which it has unfolded means that this is the only safe option. Everyone’s health has to come first.

We also have no wish to place extra strain on our colleagues at St John Ambulance and the NHS. We, of course, work very closely with them for Carnival and want to take this opportunity to express our utmost respect, admiration and gratitude for their work.

We are still at the early stages of planning for Notting Hill Carnival 2020 in its temporary form. We will share more information on how it will take shape soon. We will now be working closely with our partners, the Carnival community and others to deliver a celebration of Carnival culture and arts for the whole nation over the August bank holiday weekend.

We look forward to welcoming you back to the streets of Notting Hill in 2021.