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nothingelseworked
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3552 posts since 21/2/10

15 May 2020 10:42
SwEdEn'S NoT LoCkEd DoWn

Instead of imposing strict lockdowns, public health officials said that Swedes could be relied on to go out less and follow sanitation guidelines. That proved to be true: As a whole, Swedes visited restaurants, retail shops and other recreation spots almost as little as residents of neighboring countries, according to Google mobility figures.

We ShOuLd Be LiKe SwEdEn

But there is reason to believe that Sweden’s approach may not work as well elsewhere.

Sweden’s low density overall and high share of single-person households — factors it shares with its Scandinavian neighbors — set it apart from other Western European countries. In Italy, the virus tore through multigenerational households, where it easily spread from young people to their older relatives.

No LoCkDoWn SaVeS tHe EcOnOmY

Even without a full lockdown, Sweden’s economy has not been unscathed. Preliminary evidence shows Sweden has suffered similar economic effects as its neighbors: The Swedish Central Bank projects the country’s G.D.P. will contract by 7 to 10 percent this year, an estimate on par with the rest of Europe. (The European Commission projects the E.U. economy will contract by 7.5 percent.)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/15/world/europe/sweden-coronavirus-deaths.html
MLI
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5173 posts since 6/10/09

posted 16 May 2020 02:46, edited 16 May 2020 02:46
Rirawin wrote: Fudge, this is in no way an attack on your beliefs, but I'm genuinely interested as to whether you have concerns regarding how Covid-19 could affect your parents or your in-laws. I presume they fit into the vulnerable age group, where it has seen the highest death rate. Do they share the same views as you and are out and about carrying on as normal, even visiting friends? Are you freely visiting them with your wife and child?

don't have concerns for my parents and I don't have a wife, kids or any friends left. If my parents die from COVID I don't care and I get money. Still, I'm taking precautions as I only hate my parents, not everyone else's parents and you know, I'm an upstanding member of society or some shit..

This may seem alien to you Rirawin with your asian family is everything culture but western people are generally more independent, don't need their family for every little thing. This isn't necessarily better than asian culture, it's just a different mentality with it's own advantages and drawbacks.
illwill
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4094 posts since 17/5/04

16 May 2020 06:03
You should play a bit nicer or they'll leave it all to the wallaby sanctuary.
MLI
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5173 posts since 6/10/09

16 May 2020 06:36
Australian probate laws ensure I'll get mine
padawan
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posted 16 May 2020 11:26, edited 16 May 2020 11:26
ismvil
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1558 posts since 16/9/11

17 May 2020 07:39
Apologies to those suckling at Donny’s teat

https://www.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-940b-11ea-abcd-371e24b679ed
MLI
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5173 posts since 6/10/09

posted 17 May 2020 07:52, edited 17 May 2020 07:52
You don't know anything, You only view blinkered left wing media. You and those like you will feel the pain when Trump wins another historic election in November. The media, the illuminati, the democrat propaganda machnine can't keep Trump down. .like Monkey he is IRREPRESSABLE!

HHAHHAHAHAH, SUFFER YOU ELITIST LEFT WING FAGGOT
ismvil
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1558 posts since 16/9/11

17 May 2020 07:57
Ah yes, the FT, that notorious left wing rag
MLI
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5173 posts since 6/10/09

17 May 2020 08:22
Eat shit lefist fag
fudge.dredd
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posted 17 May 2020 11:37, edited 17 May 2020 11:37
Rirawin wrote: Fudge, this is in no way an attack on your beliefs, but I'm genuinely interested as to whether you have concerns regarding how Covid-19 could affect your parents or your in-laws. I presume they fit into the vulnerable age group, where it has seen the highest death rate. Do they share the same views as you and are out and about carrying on as normal, even visiting friends? Are you freely visiting them with your wife and child?

Neither of my parents are alive now, lost them both before I was 30 and my in-laws are danish and relatively young to be adversely affected by this. And if my parents were alive, of course I would advise caution and make sure they’re protected but the vast majority of people aren’t and won’t be affected by this. Surely the stats have borne that out? Is it under 300 in total have died from this in the UK were under 40? And the majority of them had other conditions? From a demographic of approx of 30 million people?

The figures will eventually come out - people who died due to these measures surely are just as relevant as those who died ‘of’ coronavirus.

I have been carrying on as normal, meeting with friends and family and had a great garden party yesterday from 2pm until 10pm.

My child goes out every day, same with the wife when she’s not working, and I can’t wait for the nurseries to reopen so we can get back to some semblance of normality.

Hope that helps mate.
fudge.dredd
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posted 17 May 2020 11:45, edited 17 May 2020 11:45
ismvil wrote: Apologies to those suckling at Donny’s teat

https://www.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-940b-11ea-abcd-371e24b679ed

What of it? He closed borders before any other country. I don’t agree with the measures he used for this but you can’t deny that every country followed his directives. He closed off flights from China before anyone else, was called a racist for it, did the same with Europe and then suddenly borders went up everywhere.

Apart from the UK - I’m still travelling in and out with no checks. While the majority of the country is forced into staying indoors and away from family and friends. Madness.

And yes, ‘Donny’ will win the next election, and you’ll have another four years of frothing-at-the-mouth media, aghast at the plebs.
fudge.dredd
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posted 17 May 2020 12:19, edited 17 May 2020 12:19
Quite a few articles out today reviewing the code used by Imperial College and Neil Ferguson to forecast the deaths. Turns out it’s ‘shitcode’ - not worth the paper it was printed on.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/16/coding-led-lockdown-totally-unreliable-buggy-mess-say-experts/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8327641/Coronavirus-modelling-Professor-Neil-Ferguson-branded-mess-experts.html

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/i-have-reviewed-fergusons-code/

https://github.com/mrc-ide/covid-sim

https://lockdownsceptics.org/second-analysis-of-fergusons-model/

Also see how the Gates Foundation gave Imperial College £79m in March 2020 for research purposes.

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database/Grants/2020/03/OPP1210755

Strange how none of the stories about the covid modelling are seen in the Guardian, Independent, Observer, etc..

When all this is over, there MUST be a public inquiry and people held responsible.


ismvil
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1558 posts since 16/9/11

17 May 2020 12:32
I think everyone knows Donny wins in November and I’ve said as much. That’s independent of whether he’s handled this in the best way for the US. Or at least in my simple mind it is.
eazypz
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3281 posts since 16/4/10

17 May 2020 12:39
Since all this began, I've taken 4 days off and then went back to work as normal.

I contract to a few care homes which need constant work, communal areas of blocks of flats/offices and also work inside the homes of people that are happy for me to do so.

I take as many precautions as I can, but other than that its been life as normal for me.

I'm not worried about getting the virus, but am worried for my parents, elderly relatives and in laws.
For this reason only I haven't spent as much time with them, and when I have seen them, its been garden visits and kept my distance for fear of anything happening to them.

Obviously this isn't the case for everyone, my Mrs is WFH and getting tired of it, goes for long walks to help break up the day.

To add, my brother is a Doctor at St Thomas and has said it was manic at the beginning because they had no idea what they were dealing with, but now they do, its being handled a lot better and proper processes are in place.
The lockdown has slowed the rate of infection/death some part, and my opinion is if we lift the lockdown and use common sense, we will be fine.
That being said, common sense isn't so common unfortunately, so its not as easy to implement as it may seem.
TROYBOY
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775 posts since 28/2/12

17 May 2020 13:06
What a palaver eh…
eazypz
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3281 posts since 16/4/10

17 May 2020 15:05
fudge.dredd wrote: The figures will eventually come out - people who died due to these measures surely are just as relevant as those who died ‘of’ coronavirus.

Just to add to this, couple of friends that are also doctors, have seen a good few cases of this sort of thing.

An example being a middle aged man coming in after having chest pains for the last 3 days, finally came in but didn’t earlier as he was scared of covid.
They found he was having a heart attack for the last 3 days and died half an hour later after being admitted.
exactlythat
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2344 posts since 27/10/07

17 May 2020 15:31
I've not read all of these links but taking the Armstrong Economics one as an example.

It's a bit of a strawman to target the script rather than the way the script addresses its aim.

The criticism about the stochastic approach is sort of unwarranted.

From an epidemiology perspective, it is good practice to 'presume' a random distribution unless you are certain about the direction of effect [i.e the precise direction and pattern of transmission rates and independent variables].

This leads to conservative estimates [which might be overstated] but can then be interpreted and run against 'best' case and 'worst' case thresholds.

The alternative to this 'presumption' is to presume a non-random direction of transmission effects, which you can't do without sufficient empirical evidence and at the point that the Ferguson model was developed, I don't think that was present [at least for scientific research standards].

This in its own right is a presumption and one that you'd get much more flack for in epidemiological research; making an unwarranted claim.

The second thing is that it seems a bit of a duff argument to critique the subsequent heterogeneity in results/ variance because it quite possibly comes from the random distribution model applied, which has good reason.

It's also not necessarily a problem that the code is unsophisticated. Whilst the variables of transmission, in their own right, can be complex, intuitively there's likely to many more unmeasurable variables in economic modelling that require much more sophisticated software to account for.

Moreover, transmission variables have their own existing software/ statistical methods that are independent to the Ferguson model and the impression that I get is that they are 'plugged'.

Who knows though, I don't really know the ins and outs. Also, maybe that article went over my head. Seems like people want to scapegoat the Ferguson model for the present state of things.


Hello World
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12151 posts since 7/3/05

17 May 2020 21:37
Reassuring they got John Carmack to look at the code refactoring for the public release / V&V.

The government will need something in the blame game, unfortunately this is just another by “one thing wrong, everything is wrong” destruction of experts in the public perception.
MLI
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5173 posts since 6/10/09

18 May 2020 11:49
eazypz wrote: Since all this began, I've taken 4 days off and then went back to work as normal.

I didn't get no days off, instead been doing mad overtime because a lot of weak pussies were scared. I'm happy to take the money of weak cowards Cool
eazypz
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3281 posts since 16/4/10

18 May 2020 12:08
It wasn't out of choice, but companies I contract out to halted work until they had confirmation of what they can and can't do.
Government over here have been very vague with their guidelines and when released, usually takes a few days to decipher them!