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emixam
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495 posts since 8/2/12

posted 4 Jan 2021 11:48, edited 4 Jan 2021 11:48
Davinho wrote: Does the fact that virtually all medics, scientists etc are in favour of the vaccine not give you confidence?

I sense irony here…if not, you mean the ones who are invited to speak out on the MSM ? How about the thousands of other ones that cannot make their voices heard because they are considered conspiracy theorists ? Not all medics/scientists are in favor of this sketchy vaccine, far from it actually. As mentioned above, all of a sudden, every labs came out with their own vaccines in a matter of weeks, each of them having superior 'success rate' than the previous one (whatever it means). The very same vaccines, some of them with the RNA transmission nanotechnology, which have been developed/tested in a 6 months fram, while it would take years in a normal process. So many bypasses have been granted this time to allow the vaccines to be launched as soon as possible. Again, the vaccine is no guarranty that the lockdowns and all the masks comedy will end, it actually won't as they already said it (Gates, Fauci, Tedros, etc). Why would we trust the same scientists (including The Lancet) who have been lying all year long about the masks, remdesivir, HCQ, etc?
Kadafi39
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1911 posts since 30/10/09

4 Jan 2021 11:56
swede wrote:
Kadafi39 wrote: I know 3 doctors personally, all 3 work in either GP or wards where they are exposed to covid patients and all 3 have said they have refused the vaccine.

christ - wouldn't want to be treated by them! is this a homeopathy practice or some sort of alternative medicine centre?

all the doctors/nurses I know have had the 1st vaccine shot or should have it in the next fortnight. one has to wait for 4 weeks though as he just had covid in late dec

Yes mate, exactly that. You go in with life threatening illnesses and they send you home with a candle and a yoga book.
Kadafi39
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1911 posts since 30/10/09

posted 4 Jan 2021 11:57, edited 4 Jan 2021 11:57
emixam wrote:
Davinho wrote: Does the fact that virtually all medics, scientists etc are in favour of the vaccine not give you confidence?

I sense irony here…if not, you mean the ones who are invited to speak out on the MSM ? How about the thousands of other ones that cannot make their voices heard because they are considered conspiracy theorists ? Not all medics/scientists are in favor of this sketchy vaccine, far from it actually. As mentioned above, all of a sudden, every labs came out with their own vaccines in a matter of weeks, each of them having superior 'success rate' than the previous one (whatever it means). The very same vaccines, some of them with the RNA transmission nanotechnology, which have been developed/tested in a 6 months fram, while it would take years in a normal process. So many bypasses have been granted this time to allow the vaccines to be launched as soon as possible. Again, the vaccine is no guarranty that the lockdowns and all the masks comedy will end, it actually won't as they already said it (Gates, Fauci, Tedros, etc). Why would we trust the same scientists (including The Lancet) who have been lying all year long about the masks, remdesivir, HCQ, etc?

Great post, impartial yet not a mindless sheep.

Edit: Pretty sure theres no irony there, his GF is a GP and he knows loads of medics and trusts them whole-heartedly.
swede
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9504 posts since 21/3/09

4 Jan 2021 11:58
JUST WAKE UP YOU SHEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Davinho
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2345 posts since 2/12/08

4 Jan 2021 11:59
Kadafi39 wrote:
Davinho wrote: Does the fact that virtually all medics, scientists etc are in favour of the vaccine not give you confidence?

I know 3 doctors personally, all 3 work in either GP or wards where they are exposed to covid patients and all 3 have said they have refused the vaccine.

I’m calling bullshit on that, sorry. My gf is a GP and I know lots of medics, all of whom have either had or are waiting for their jab. All 3 of the doctors you know have turned it down after working on wards with covid patients? Absolute bollocks.
Crackajack
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7853 posts since 21/4/05

4 Jan 2021 12:05
emixam wrote:
Davinho wrote: Does the fact that virtually all medics, scientists etc are in favour of the vaccine not give you confidence?

I sense irony here…if not, you mean the ones who are invited to speak out on the MSM ? How about the thousands of other ones that cannot make their voices heard because they are considered conspiracy theorists ? Not all medics/scientists are in favor of this sketchy vaccine, far from it actually. As mentioned above, all of a sudden, every labs came out with their own vaccines in a matter of weeks, each of them having superior 'success rate' than the previous one (whatever it means). The very same vaccines, some of them with the RNA transmission nanotechnology, which have been developed/tested in a 6 months fram, while it would take years in a normal process. So many bypasses have been granted this time to allow the vaccines to be launched as soon as possible. Again, the vaccine is no guarranty that the lockdowns and all the masks comedy will end, it actually won't as they already said it (Gates, Fauci, Tedros, etc). Why would we trust the same scientists (including The Lancet) who have been lying all year long about the masks, remdesivir, HCQ, etc?

Coronaviruses are not new and work on them generally has been going on for years. It's like designing a trainer and then just releasing new colourways each season… Most of the hard work was already done (I believe there are some novel vaccine approaches as well but won't comment on that).


Medical journals are relatively open and some will take all sorts… science is about arriving at a consensus via evidence not finding absolutes. In terms of 'MSM', sadly we have seen the damage of fringe and disproportionate non-peer reviewed voices on the media advocating for herd immunity through infection - it damages public perception and is largely based on now discredited science.

And I don't think any scientist is guaranteeing anything re the vaccine, in fact they are being really clear on the efficacy. It's clearly the best route to normality we have currently, and just because it isn't the perfect solution (what is) doesn't mean we shouldn't use it.
Byte
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3019 posts since 16/6/10

4 Jan 2021 12:07
Same people questioning the long term effects of the vaccine are in the drugs thread smoking/snorting god knows what Laughing out loud
Crackajack
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7853 posts since 21/4/05

4 Jan 2021 12:08
Also weird how the actual top experts in their field are held to a WAY higher standard than the fringe views which people jump to believe. I can kind of understand it when people would latch on to 'there will be no second wave' as wishful thinking.

Kadafi39
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1911 posts since 30/10/09

posted 4 Jan 2021 12:12, edited 4 Jan 2021 12:12
Davinho wrote:
Kadafi39 wrote:
Davinho wrote: Does the fact that virtually all medics, scientists etc are in favour of the vaccine not give you confidence?

I know 3 doctors personally, all 3 work in either GP or wards where they are exposed to covid patients and all 3 have said they have refused the vaccine.

I’m calling bullshit on that, sorry. My gf is a GP and I know lots of medics, all of whom have either had or are waiting for their jab. All 3 of the doctors you know have turned it down after working on wards with covid patients? Absolute bollocks.

You seem to have issues with basic comprehension, I clearly wrote "all 3 work in either GP or wards where they are exposed to Covid patients", If your GF is a GP as you state I am sure you know that means she is a general practitioner and most likely in a surgery, not a ward.
The other 2 work in a hospital, one is female and has concerns about ambiguity regarding pregnancy and the vaccine and the other is a paediatrician, but has refused the vaccine as he is relatively young, early 30s and has been working on ward for the last year with no issues.

Why would I make up a story about 3 Dr's I know refusing to have the vaccine on a website read by about 15 people? If I had a hidden agenda or was trying to push a view surely I would do it on a wider scale than you, burt and swede lol But your GF is a GP and you know lots of medics, so you must be right Laughing out loud
Charles Winthorpe III
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5484 posts since 29/7/05

posted 4 Jan 2021 12:14, edited 4 Jan 2021 12:14
Yeah.. but he referenced masks as if that is up for debate in terms of value to help prevent a virus being spread (any virus).

I work for one of the pharma companies mentioned and the idea the numbers are fudged is pure tinfoil from the land of trump.

science and technology progresses faster than any other industry.. the idea this is rushed is bullshit. This is the first time anyone of us have encountered a pandemic. It requires a new way of working that almost circumnavigates normal red tape (both governmental and regulatory).. is it that hard to believe (wo)mankind can’t find a vaccine(s) for something that is affecting human life on a daily basis in every facet of our lives. In a pandemic all big pharma companies on some level are working together and hence you will see more and more vaccines being developed and rolled out.

Plus the idea a vaccine won’t help this also belies belief. The whole I’m not anti vax but …

big pharma companies have made mistakes and will continue to do so, but ultimately they are not like nestle and are highly regulated even though profit is king, so is moral responsibility and customer care on a scientific / engineering level.

Any doctor / scientist who doesn’t see how these vaccines have been developed, approved and rolled out needs to have their credentials checked.

Charles Winthorpe III
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5484 posts since 29/7/05

4 Jan 2021 12:19
If you’re a child or pregnant then you shouldn’t have the Pfizer vaccine.. unless you are high risk and then you need to speak with a Doctor to make a risk based decision. That’s the communicated directive from Pfizer and the Uk government.

swede
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9504 posts since 21/3/09

posted 4 Jan 2021 12:28, edited 4 Jan 2021 12:28
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andymakesglasses
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20522 posts since 26/1/06

4 Jan 2021 13:59
emixam wrote: How about the thousands of other ones that cannot make their voices heard because they are considered conspiracy theorists ?

If they can't make their voices heard, how did you find out these things?

emixam wrote: Those Pfizer and Moderna results come from their own PR, where are the independent agencies results?

emixam wrote: They say these vaccines don't prevent you from getting sick nor transmit the virus, just not to make a severe form of the disease
Kadafi39
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1911 posts since 30/10/09

posted 4 Jan 2021 16:40, edited 4 Jan 2021 16:40
Davinho wrote: Does the fact that virtually all medics, scientists etc are in favour of the vaccine not give you confidence?

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/941492

Turns out that a poll in November 2020 found that 40% of UK Dr's would refuse the vaccine. Who would have thought that between yourself and your GF you didn't personally know all the medics in the country? Astounded mate.
Davinho
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2345 posts since 2/12/08

4 Jan 2021 17:10
Laughing out loud. Can I borrow your log in details to medscape so I can read it?
Crackajack
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7853 posts since 21/4/05

4 Jan 2021 17:17
Kadafi39 wrote:
Davinho wrote: Does the fact that virtually all medics, scientists etc are in favour of the vaccine not give you confidence?

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/941492

Turns out that a poll in November 2020 found that 40% of UK Dr's would refuse the vaccine. Who would have thought that between yourself and your GF you didn't personally know all the medics in the country? Astounded mate.

Of those 40% only half again were saying they would refuse due to safety concerns, and if you even read the comments the methodology of the survey has been picked apart as being unsound / bias. Ironic!

Of course some doctors will be concerned about safety and due process, but I think that particular example isn't helpful.

misled
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4358 posts since 3/1/02

posted 4 Jan 2021 17:21, edited 4 Jan 2021 17:21
Davinho wrote: Laughing out loud. Can I borrow your log in details to medscape so I can read it?

don't need to read the article. click on the comments and see how many people think the survey was badly done, too small a representation etc. etc. It's the usual cherry-picking attempt
Kadafi39
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1911 posts since 30/10/09

4 Jan 2021 17:33
Even if the figures are off by 10 or 20% it still shows that if not 40% than maybe 35 or 30% dont have confidence.
What it definitely demonstrates though is that not all or literally all drs support it as claimed by some!
figurine
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5985 posts since 14/5/07

4 Jan 2021 18:11
Kadafi39 wrote: Even if the figures are off by 10 or 20% it still shows that if not 40% than maybe 35 or 30% dont have confidence.
What it definitely demonstrates though is that not all or literally all drs support it as claimed by some!
The wording of a question can swing the percentage by more than 10 or 20 points.
-DiscoTits-
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919 posts since 26/11/07

posted 4 Jan 2021 18:46, edited 4 Jan 2021 18:46
Genuine question to medical folk on here. Why in some videos have I seen people be given the jab but the medical professional does not push the syringe down while doing so?

Edit: or the syringe is already depressed fully before they place the needle through then skin.