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TROYBOY
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838 posts since 28/2/12

4 Jan 2021 22:51
swede wrote:
TROYBOY wrote: I dont understand why using caution is a bad thing.

"using caution" during a global pandemic would surely be taking a vaccine which has been proven safe, efficacious and likely to bring this whole thing to a stop…

Not really.
pentonville
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917 posts since 12/3/12

posted 4 Jan 2021 22:58, edited 4 Jan 2021 22:58
Charles Winthorpe III wrote: I just find it fascinating that we as a society have developed distrust of science over the past 20 years.

Looking at the people fronting science to the public - in the US particularly - and they are the absolute pits. They manage to make politicians look less like self-regarding ghouls. Particularly in regards to wearing a mask, how it was the worst thing you could do, how it would only help the spread of the virus, and then the same people do an about-face and say that everyone must be wearing masks in order to save our grandparents´ lives - I mean it´s as if they can´t just fuck off and let another scientist who wasn´t completely wrong in the first instance to have a go. Talk about a god complex.
pentonville
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917 posts since 12/3/12

4 Jan 2021 23:00
FWIW I just found out that a guy I went to school with has tragically lost his life to Covid, that being said he did look like a walking pre-existing condition.
emixam
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495 posts since 8/2/12

posted 5 Jan 2021 05:52, edited 5 Jan 2021 05:52
andymakesglasses wrote:
emixam wrote: How about the thousands of other ones that cannot make their voices heard because they are considered conspiracy theorists ?

If they can't make their voices heard, how did you find out these things?

Ever heard of alternative media? Sadly 99% of the people get the info from MSM only, I find that nowadays more than ever trying to double check information is essential. Alternative media isn't called this way by accident, it is to purposely dismiss them in the eyes of the public vs the MSM which is the only truth provider, isn't it?

Get ready for endless lockdowns, masks and social distance. With or without vaccines.
burny
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5997 posts since 25/5/06

5 Jan 2021 06:51
^ Surely just by reading through the last couple of pages you can see this isn’t true? Essentially a 50/50 split here between people who hold your opinion and those that don’t.
MoB
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37107 posts since 31/8/04

5 Jan 2021 07:47
fudge.dredd wrote: Oh let’s not forget that flights are and will continue to keep coming in with no testing at all.
not anymore, need a PCR test to get in now.
swede
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9537 posts since 21/3/09

5 Jan 2021 08:14
Charles Winthorpe III wrote: I just find it fascinating that we as a society have developed distrust of science over the past 20 years.
although conspiracy theories have been around since way before the internet, i think wide use of it and adoption of social media platforms has really fueled conspiracies in recent times. any idiot can paste together some images and overlay some text and post it on twitter/facebook; a handful of people can react to it and retweet/share it without verifying the source for any validity…. it then snowballs (as has happened with that recent ONS numbers image; "no excess deaths!! #plandemic"). more and more people then actually see facebook/twitter as their main source of news and don't seek to check anything they are seeing against other sources

for when people want to go deeper into a conspiracy they can simply just google "QAnon" or whatever and find some half-arsed wordpress sites and a forum/sub-reddit which they can join. They can then surround themselves with people who have similar beliefs and start descending into the echo chamber; convincing themselves it is all absolutely real

i also blame our gov. like in many other instances; tech innovation has outpaced us. not enough is done to fight the circulation of fake news and this is costing us severely with us leaving the EU and many educated adults actually thinking vaccines are bad/contain microchips
swede
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9537 posts since 21/3/09

5 Jan 2021 08:16
alternative media Laughing out loud

emixam would you consider medical journals MSM or alternative media? having met some journal editors they didn't look like lizards in real life…
ismvil
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1615 posts since 16/9/11

5 Jan 2021 08:30
This thread reminds me of this

https://www.persuasion.community/p/the-made-up-conspiracy
emixam
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495 posts since 8/2/12

posted 5 Jan 2021 08:44, edited 5 Jan 2021 08:44
thank you Swede for proving my point, anyone who challenges the mainstream message is automatically a conspiracy theorist. Did I speak about lizards ? Come on now…you can do better than that. But it is fine in the end, I don't ask you not to take the vaccine, do what you want but don't force others to do so. However we all know the non vaccinated people will be refused access to transportation, schools, offices, etc - when the vaccine is not stopping the spread as they say. Great deal ! Is questioning this specific vaccine still ok, or does that makes me automatically an antisemitic ? I would rather hear your views on how you see the situation evolve in the next coming months, do you really believe the vaccine will end up this mess ? Can you see that the social despair created by lockdowns is worst than the virus itself ? or you just couldn't care less, yet, because you are still able to work and earn money - but for how much longer really ?
andymakesglasses
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20527 posts since 26/1/06

5 Jan 2021 09:17
emixam wrote: Ever heard of alternative media?

Of course. What alternative media told you the below?

emixam wrote: Those Pfizer and Moderna results come from their own PR, where are the independent agencies results?

emixam wrote: They say these vaccines don't prevent you from getting sick nor transmit the virus, just not to make a severe form of the disease

And where do you double-check the information that you receive from the alternative media?

emixam wrote: Sadly 99% of the people get the info from MSM only, I find that nowadays more than ever trying to double check information is essential.
swede
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9537 posts since 21/3/09

5 Jan 2021 09:19
i don't think the vaccine should be compulsory; i just want to understand people's reasoning for not taking it (are the supposed side-effects of the vaccine worse than actually having covid/spreading covid to someone you love?). i do however think it would be fair for the gov to limit (at least) some international travel while we are still in the pandemic for those unwilling to have a vaccine; it just makes sense. it has been done with the yellow fever vaccine for decades now

with regards to how we see the situation evolving; we will be in lockdown for 2-3 months now while the most vulnerable in society are vaccinated. when this is achieved we can expect significant pressure to be relieved from the healthcare system and lockdowns can be gradually lifted. while the vaccine continues to be rolled out in the less vulnerable populations (later-spring onwards) we are still going to see cases of covid going round, but hospitalization and deaths will fall as the most vulnerable are now immune. some sense of normality can then resume but i am fairly sure we will still be wearing masks in some settings in a year's time from now. in 2-3 years everything will be back to normal; with some covid outbreaks here and there among those who chose not to be vaccinated
figurine
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5991 posts since 14/5/07

5 Jan 2021 09:20
Is there anything, MSM or Alternative Media, that definitively says that the vaccine doesn't stop people from transmitting the virus? My understanding was they weren't sure whether or not it does at the minute and more testing/observation is needed.
swede
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9537 posts since 21/3/09

5 Jan 2021 09:48
the current scientific hypothesis/consensus is that while you may catch it; your body will be able to fight it off almost immediately and therefore the chance of onward transmission is greatly reduced
mtthrvy2
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1954 posts since 8/11/10

5 Jan 2021 10:02
I read the something along the same lines, they dont have enough data on it yet but generally they would expect it to have some level of impact on the transmission.

People who were part of the trial were continuing to take nasal swabs and there was a reduced amount of positive results compared with the placebo group which suggests that they were less likely to be asymptomatic carriers.
Kadafi39
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1919 posts since 30/10/09

5 Jan 2021 10:32
swede wrote: kadafi do you really feel that any potential side-effects from a vaccine would actually be better than rolling the dice on catching it? do you not think it would be a real shame if you actually got some serious complications/died or passed it onto someone you love who then died?

again not being patronising, just want to understand the logic/thought process

Bit of a stupid question really! Do you not think it would be a shame if I died or passed it on to a loved one who then died? Of course I fucking do, don't even think that needs answering. But I am doing everything I can to protect myself and family, does that mean that I cant have doubts about the vaccine? I don't believe so.

Can you honestly say that you have no questions or concerns about the vaccine? None at all?
Have you ever considered;
why we don't know how long the vaccine will last?

Why the storage and transportation requirements are so wildly different?

Why one has a dose of 30mg and the other 100mg yet both have the same rate of effectiveness?

How is it that the world was racing to find a vaccine and then Russia says they have approved theirs and passed clinical trials (of less than 2 months) and suddenly within days 2 other labs somehow have their vaccine ready, does that not make you suspicious its been rushed through in order to not miss the boat?

In the US we have trump talking about injecting a disinfectant that knocks it out in seconds and over here we have the most dishonest scarecrow the world has ever seen. Do you really trust either of them?

One lab said for their vaccine to be effective it should be taken as 2 doses 21 days apart, our govt have decided that's too onerous and they will administer the vaccine within 12 weeks of the first jab! Just tripled the recommended 3 weeks. The labs not going to say that wont work as they wont be able to sell their vaccine then?

There's no long term testing or independent trials.

I recall you work in the medical field, a lab too if im not mistaken so clearly you have your biases, but I think you would be naïve to put all your trust in our govt and the vaccine.

figurine
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5991 posts since 14/5/07

5 Jan 2021 10:38
Kadafi39 wrote: There's no long term testing or independent trials.
There is long term testing, it's happening now post approval. What would you suggest? Delay approval for a year or so to do long term testing? Then you'll just have people complaining there isn't longer term testing.
mtthrvy2
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1954 posts since 8/11/10

5 Jan 2021 10:44
Kadafi39 wrote: Why the storage and transportation requirements are so wildly different?

Why one has a dose of 30mg and the other 100mg yet both have the same rate of effectiveness?

They're different types of vaccines

Kadafi39 wrote: How is it that the world was racing to find a vaccine and then Russia says they have approved theirs and passed clinical trials (of less than 2 months) and suddenly within days 2 other labs somehow have their vaccine ready, does that not make you suspicious its been rushed through in order to not miss the boat?

This isnt even true.. Russia approved theirs in August, we approved in in December




Kadafi39 wrote: In the US we have trump talking about injecting a disinfectant that knocks it out in seconds and over here we have the most dishonest scarecrow the world has ever seen. Do you really trust either of them?

Listen to/ trust scientists rather than Trump?

Kadafi39 wrote: One lab said for their vaccine to be effective it should be taken as 2 doses 21 days apart, our govt have decided that's too onerous and they will administer the vaccine within 12 weeks of the first jab! Just tripled the recommended 3 weeks. The labs not going to say that wont work as they wont be able to sell their vaccine then?

The labs have said they have no data to say if it will work 12 weeks later and the government has rightly been criticised on this. No data doesn't mean it wont work or be as effective, it just means no data.

Kadafi39
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1919 posts since 30/10/09

5 Jan 2021 10:46
figurine wrote:
Kadafi39 wrote: There's no long term testing or independent trials.
There is long term testing, it's happening now post approval. What would you suggest? Delay approval for a year or so to do long term testing? Then you'll just have people complaining there isn't longer term testing.

A couple of months is long term in your eyes? I can guarantee for a clinical trial that is not long term and the number of subjects is not sufficient to make a decision on rolling it out to 7+ billion people worldwide. This may be the most rushed and poorly tested vaccine in the history of medicine.
Dreep
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1645 posts since 29/7/08

5 Jan 2021 10:58
I'm sure you'd have something to say also if there wasn't a vaccine by now, what approximately is the time period in your professional opinion for a suitable vaccination to be released?

Poorly rushed and tested is your opinion, but would you rather there not be a vaccine at all?

I don't get how you can be so dense.