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emixam
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495 posts since 8/2/12

posted 7 Jan 2021 08:07, edited 7 Jan 2021 08:07
andymakesglasses wrote:
Iain Davis at OffGuardian wrote: People genuinely appear to believe that the COVID 19 vaccines have undergone clinical trials and have been proven to be both safe and effective. That belief is simply wrong.

Ok, interesting, you might think. Where's the evidence for this? He then links to analysis in The Lancet to supposedly back up his claims but it actually does the opposite.

The Lancet wrote: We report on the first clinical efficacy results of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 in a pooled analysis of phase 2/3 trials in the UK and Brazil, and safety data from more than 20 000 participants enrolled across four clinical trials in the UK, Brazil, and South Africa. ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 has an acceptable safety profile and is efficacious against symptomatic COVID-19, with no hospital admissions or severe cases reported in the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 arm.

I am gonna assume you do it on purpose…here is what he says : 'the most important and meaningful phases of the trials have barely begun, let alone been completed.'and 'They have not concluded their phase three trials. They haven’t even fully completed phase one.'

Does The Lancet mentions Phases1/2/3 have been concluded ? Nope.

As for the evidence, it is below :

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT04368728



All I am asking is someone like Swede who works the medical/pharma field to confirm this is legit or not, because if it is, that means all the media is feeding us with is BS.
andymakesglasses
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20527 posts since 26/1/06

posted 7 Jan 2021 09:06, edited 7 Jan 2021 09:06
emixam wrote: Does The Lancet mentions Phases1/2/3 have been concluded ? Nope.

I didn't say they'd been concluded, I was taking issue with his claim that the vaccines haven't undergone clinical trials or been proven to be safe or effective. They have undergone and are undergoing clinical trials and independently peer-reviewed data has proven them to be safe and effective to differing degrees. Iain Davis is simply scaremongering.

Iain Davis at OffGuardian wrote: People genuinely appear to believe that the COVID 19 vaccines have undergone clinical trials and have been proven to be both safe and effective. That belief is simply wrong.

You can read an article in The Lancet about the pros and cons of an accelerated vaccine development programme here.

What do you suggest is the alternative? Also you didn't answer my questions:

Do you believe the vaccine will deliver a microchip into your body that will then be used as a "biometric passport" to control your access to all manner of things like government services, shops and pubs?

Do you believe the Great Reset has been designed to restructure the world's governments and will lead to the abolition of personal ownership?
Charles Winthorpe III
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5484 posts since 29/7/05

7 Jan 2021 10:47
off guardian being quoted.
lordy lord lord.

Charles Winthorpe III
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5484 posts since 29/7/05

7 Jan 2021 10:49
andymakesglasses wrote:
emixam wrote: Does The Lancet mentions Phases1/2/3 have been concluded ? Nope.

I didn't say they'd been concluded, I was taking issue with his claim that the vaccines haven't undergone clinical trials or been proven to be safe or effective. They have undergone and are undergoing clinical trials and independently peer-reviewed data has proven them to be safe and effective to differing degrees. Iain Davis is simply scaremongering.

Iain Davis at OffGuardian wrote: People genuinely appear to believe that the COVID 19 vaccines have undergone clinical trials and have been proven to be both safe and effective. That belief is simply wrong.

You can read an article in The Lancet about the pros and cons of an accelerated vaccine development programme here.

What do you suggest is the alternative? Also you didn't answer my questions:

Do you believe the vaccine will deliver a microchip into your body that will then be used as a "biometric passport" to control your access to all manner of things like government services, shops and pubs?

Do you believe the Great Reset has been designed to restructure the world's governments and will lead to the abolition of personal ownership?


emixam
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495 posts since 8/2/12

7 Jan 2021 11:37
andymakesglasses wrote: What do you suggest is the alternative? Also you didn't answer my questions:

How about you answer mine and debunk the clinic trials link I sent?
figurine
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5991 posts since 14/5/07

7 Jan 2021 11:46
From your link

For clinical studies with more than one primary outcome measure with different completion dates, this term refers to the date on which data collection is completed for all the primary outcome measures.

You can see the primary outcomes and their associated timescales listed as well, some are longer than others which is why the date is in the future.

I'm sure swede or someone else could explain this better. I don't know much about this but it makes sense to me, I don't think you know much about it either and you're just regurgitating stuff you've read from Alternative Media.
andymakesglasses
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20527 posts since 26/1/06

posted 7 Jan 2021 11:55, edited 7 Jan 2021 11:55
emixam wrote: How about you answer mine and debunk the clinic trials link I sent?

What am I supposed to debunk? The clinical trials are ongoing and haven't been completed, that's a fact. I've already said what I took issue with.
emixam
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495 posts since 8/2/12

posted 8 Jan 2021 06:44, edited 8 Jan 2021 06:44
figurine wrote: I'm sure swede or someone else could explain this better. I don't know much about this but it makes sense to me, I don't think you know much about it either and you're just regurgitating stuff you've read from Alternative Media.

That's precisely what I am asking for : that someone who can read it properly clarify the document and confirm whether the Nov 18th claim from Pfizer and BioNTech stating they had concluded their phase three trial of BNT is misleading or not. They had demonstrated efficacy of 95% and U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA’s) Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) safety data milestone had been met. However, it seems the only part of this claim that was true was compliance with FDA emergency safety data milestones.
fudge.dredd
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1611 posts since 15/12/12

8 Jan 2021 18:56


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948526/Weekly_report_mortality__w53.pdf
MrW
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2968 posts since 1/8/11

8 Jan 2021 19:25
Can you post weeks 40-52 of the same report, then post week 53 when all the data is available?
burny
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5997 posts since 25/5/06

8 Jan 2021 19:28
From a link in the article you’ve posted it states;

We estimate excess winter mortality by comparing the winter months of December to March with the average of the four-month periods before and after; for winter 2019 to 2020 we have excluded deaths where the coronavirus (COVID-19) was mentioned on the death certificate – which is a new disease – from the main figures reported, improving the comparability of this winter's measure with previous years
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Crackajack
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7864 posts since 21/4/05

8 Jan 2021 19:28
This data should be interpreted with caution due to delays in reporting over the Christmas period.

swede
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9537 posts since 21/3/09

8 Jan 2021 19:39
i know you aren't one for reading beyond the headline but if you scroll down on that very link you posted you will see that significant excess deaths occurred in weeks 40,42-51 for England Laughing out loud


week 51 data "headline only" for you;


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/947877/Weekly_report_mortality__w52.pdf

varies by week due to lag in reporting over bank holiday etc. i imagine week 2-3 of this year will be significant

i'm trying not to reply to emixam as when he posted reference to the site "off guardian" it became obvious that he has unfortunately gone way over the edge and is beyond non-professional help (he definitely attends QAnon rallies)… but very briefly for the benefit of anyone who thinks emixam is right;

- Sperm toxicity. No clue where you guys are getting this from. Sperm levels/quality are standardly measured in all clinical trials and any impact on them leads to a black box label if the drug is even approved. Gilead's filgotinib recently didn't gain approval due to this - look it up. No vaccine has ever impacted sperm counts. There is literally no way it can change your DNA and you can pass mutant sperm to your partner Laughing out loud … The reason it isn't recommended for pregnant women is because it hasn't been tested in them; it is therefore irresponsible to endorse it.

- PCR. The quotes you have used are completely out of context/manipulated. please look at some other/reputable sources ffs. PCR can be used to detect viral load (i have even personally done this to measure viral transfection in cell lines). The main flaw of PCR is not cycle number but actually primer quality/fidelity. to get around this in the UK we use 3x sets of different primers in our PCR test; measuring 3x components of the viral DNA itself. therefore doesnt matter if 1 DNA section gets amplified off another virus; the other 2 sections won't… Also higher cycles are good as it reduces chance of false negatives - which in this case is better than lower numbers of false positives. PCR song for your entertainment - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5yPkxCLads

- Incomplete phase III. The parts of the phase III required for initial efficacy/safety results and subsequent regulatory approval are complete. Other parts/arms of the study are still being conducted. Results from these additional arms will allow the regulatory agency to expand the label… From initial flick through the ct.gov it looks like the label may be expanded to allow it be used in children as well as inform the re-dosing/booster protocol. This is standard procedure for every drug approved in the last 20 years. Every manufacturer does it! and the regulators endorse and encourage it
TCB
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4726 posts since 5/7/11

8 Jan 2021 19:56
"There is literally no way it can change your DNA and you can pass mutant sperm to your partner"

explain how fudge came into existence then.
Crackajack
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7864 posts since 21/4/05

8 Jan 2021 20:03
This might help reassure some people on the 'what if' scenarios.



A serious reasoning error that is particularly common among educated people is to argue that if a study hasn't been done on a particular question we have 'no data', and therefore no basis on which to form beliefs or act.

This is incorrect and dangerous.


On the question of things like 'what if it makes me infertile?' there may not be a specific study, but there is a wealth of understanding on the human reproductive system and how vaccines work.
RickRude
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3814 posts since 13/1/12

posted 8 Jan 2021 20:11, edited 8 Jan 2021 20:11
https://video.canund.com/watch/doctors-around-the-world-issue-dire-warning-do-not-get-the-covid-vaccine_YrYRfO9PRVCK8vI.html?lang=english

Disclaimer - I’m not anti Vaccine
Crackajack
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7864 posts since 21/4/05

8 Jan 2021 20:23

Why post that nonsense then? I mean look at the description.

⁣Spread this far and WIDE. If this doesn't wake your friends and family up, then they are under DEEP mind control and only someone who specializes in unbrainwashing cult worshipers can help them.

It's a rogues gallery of quacks - as the video says 'do your own research (Laughing out loud will just do a quick randomised trial with the Facebook group)' google the names and more authoritative sources debunk them and show they are aligned to things like homeopathy.
phelen
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6631 posts since 16/8/06

8 Jan 2021 20:25
Social media is the cancer of our society.
mtthrvy2
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1954 posts since 8/11/10

8 Jan 2021 20:26
Just a quick google of one of the doctors revealed they practice homeopathy and selective energy balancing.
mtthrvy2
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1954 posts since 8/11/10

8 Jan 2021 20:28
I wont tell you which one though, you should just do your own research and wake up