General Discussion: FUK summer 2015 Six pack challenge = Ineff Challenge - Can you repeat his success


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shorty
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6805 posts since 16/4/03

14 Jul 2006 10:25
Markus wrote: why would anyone want a six pack? they look 'orrible. no offence to true fashionista, i'd say her hips were nice. but then i noticed her veins popping out.

and if you're trying to loose weight, be a man. starve yourself.

god lad!! i say dont eat and as much strong slimming pills as your body can handle Laughing out loud
Chappie
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4881 posts since 7/6/04

14 Jul 2006 10:27
Markus wrote: why would anyone want a six pack? they look 'orrible. no offence to true fashionista, i'd say her hips were nice. but then i noticed her veins popping out.

and if you're trying to loose weight, be a man. starve yourself.

Mate, you've got a bit of a twisted view of a healthy body.

There's nothing manly about harming your body by starving yourself… Sad
andydavidleeroth
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1691 posts since 30/11/03

14 Jul 2006 10:51
How is the amount of calories burnt debatable?? I have shown that more calories will be burnt by running/jogging.

it does not matter that it is debatable, as we have already established that we are not simply trying to create the biggest calorie deficit possible. If you wanted to do this, i suggest sprinting, up a hill, against the wind, whilst doing shoulders presses, for three hours.
Clearly, calorie use is related to effort.
but since you asked, it IS debatable, because weight lifting, unlike cardio, raises the resting metabolism by a significant amount for hours after you have finished the exercise (post-exercise calorie expenditure).

When weight training fat loss is a secondary factor, which is why people perform cardio to drop body fat.
people do cardio to drop fat, because it is easy to do, does not require any equipment or training, has a huge benefit to the cardiovascular system, but most of all because, in the past, the advice they had been given was to do cardio, and stay in "the zone".. i.e, they think it is the most efficient way of doing it.
And for the exact same reason, so many people fail in their fat loss attempts.

And surely people would want to burn 500ish calories with 30 mins of running, rather than 2 hours of weight training
even ignoring the post exercise calorie expenditure, i dont know if this is true. consider that 2 hours of weight training includes an hour and a half of sitting around, standing around, waiting, resting between sets, between exercises, it is not simply 120 minutes of pushing and pulling, if it was, the calorie debt would be through the roof.

Granted if you pack on muscle your body will obviously burn more calories (I have not disputed this), but packing on 10lbs of the stuff (which burns 130 calories per hour) takes a lot of effort and time.

this is true, but i have not even mentioned this benefit. since you have, simply adding 1 lb of muscle, which does not take a lot of effort and time, will burn (by your figure) 13 calories per hour, maybe not much, but over a week, that is 2184 calories extra being burned all the time, even whilst you sleep.
in addition, cardio produces significantly higher cortisol, and as a result, not only does cardio NOT build muscle, not only does it NOT maintain muscle, but it actively reduces it.

As for the link you have posted - I did not read it completely, but it does seem to backup what I was saying. That if you train at a lower intensity, for the same amount of work, your body will metabolise fat

yes its true, but it also says that the aim of exercise should not simply be to burn the biggest percentage of fat. you burn almost 100% fat whilst you are asleep, but sleeping clearly is not the path to fat loss. there is nothing wrong with using glycogen as a fuel.

If you read what I posted earlier, people here were asing how to drop fat in the quickest time possible.

yes, but what they meant was, how to achieve the quickest rate of fat loss, measured in weeks or months, not simply the most calorie expensive exercise which will use the most calories per half hour.



Chappie
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4881 posts since 7/6/04

14 Jul 2006 11:19
Ok, lets do a little test.

Do nothing but cardio for a week, and then do nothing but weights for the next. Make sure you eat pretty much the same for both weeks and after this measure your body fat after each week.

Believe me, you will lose more bady fat with cardio…as I found.

And there is nothing wrong with using sugar and oxygen as glycogen, unless you're trying to burn fat.
Guido
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12852 posts since 20/4/05

14 Jul 2006 11:23
shorty wrote: i say dont eat and as much strong slimming pills as your body can handle Laughing out loud

is that what you call them on a Saturday night Eye-wink Laughing out loud
Oasisunit
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5150 posts since 8/5/03

14 Jul 2006 11:51
Combining 20-30 mins of intense Cardio + eating less than 500 calories at each meal will make you lose weight for sure.. Although you will find it harder waking up in the morning as your body doesnt have alot of energy you'll just want to sleep in..
nick
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19716 posts since 2/5/03

14 Jul 2006 12:12
Chappie wrote: Believe me, you will lose more bady fat with cardio…as I found.

I'm tempted to agree.

When you watch Extreme Makeover, and people want to lose weight fast, he doesn't get them doing weights, he gets them doing slow-burn CV stuff instead, like brisk walking on the treadmill. And judging by the results it realy works.




flipmode
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1302 posts since 25/10/05

14 Jul 2006 12:19

the progress thus far. marbella in 2 weeks so gna be hitting gym hard
kinstar
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6121 posts since 13/9/02

14 Jul 2006 12:19
Chappie wrote: Ok, lets do a little test.

Do nothing but cardio for a week, and then do nothing but weights for the next. Make sure you eat pretty much the same for both weeks and after this measure your body fat after each week.

Believe me, you will lose more bady fat with cardio…as I found.

And there is nothing wrong with using sugar and oxygen as glycogen, unless you're trying to burn fat.

I agree with the cardio for losing fat.
Murakami
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13238 posts since 9/5/05

14 Jul 2006 12:20
Jawdropping! Im feeling a little light headed , just going for a quick lay down
trickyd
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653 posts since 7/7/06

14 Jul 2006 12:31
Weight routine + Proper diet + LOTS of ICED WATER > Strict Cardio routine

….for weight loss, pretty much any trainer that knows his shit will tell you that.

Either that or there are a lot of disillusioned people out there with a load of scientific babble that means nout!
jet
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5757 posts since 20/6/01

14 Jul 2006 12:39
flipmode wrote:
the progress thus far. marbella in 2 weeks so gna be hitting gym hard

you know when you look at something, and you know immediately it's wrong but you're not sure why…

where are the nipples?
nick
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19716 posts since 2/5/03

14 Jul 2006 12:41
jet wrote:
flipmode wrote:
the progress thus far. marbella in 2 weeks so gna be hitting gym hard

you know when you look at something, and you know immediately it's wrong but you're not sure why…

where are the nipples?

More to the point, pull your boxers up a bit.
flipmode
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1302 posts since 25/10/05

14 Jul 2006 12:42
now feeling incredibly homo for posting that pic. anyhoooo.

nipples are safe dont worry
jet
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5757 posts since 20/6/01

14 Jul 2006 12:44
flipmode wrote: now feeling incredibly homo for posting that pic. anyhoooo.

nipples are safe dont worry

safe in a drawer somewhere?

i'm just kidding, it's all fabulous.
chopper
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4735 posts since 16/3/04

14 Jul 2006 12:45
nick wrote:
jet wrote:
flipmode wrote:
the progress thus far. marbella in 2 weeks so gna be hitting gym hard

you know when you look at something, and you know immediately it's wrong but you're not sure why…

where are the nipples?

More to the point, pull your boxers up a bit.
(no homo)why is there hair above you belly button but not below?
(i repeat no homo)
shorty
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6805 posts since 16/4/03

14 Jul 2006 12:45
i like it Sticking out tongue
nick
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19716 posts since 2/5/03

14 Jul 2006 12:46
flipmode wrote: now feeling incredibly homo for posting that pic.

If I had your body I doubt I'd ever wear a shirt again (no flattering to get in your knickers)
shorty
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6805 posts since 16/4/03

14 Jul 2006 12:48
flopmode can you take a picture of your back? and your face? (no stalker)
Chappie
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4881 posts since 7/6/04

14 Jul 2006 12:51
Trixx wrote: Weight routine + Proper diet + LOTS of ICED WATER > Strict Cardio routine

….for weight loss, pretty much any trainer that knows his shit will tell you that.

Either that or there are a lot of disillusioned people out there with a load of scientific babble that means nout!

Exactly Smiling