ShaneB
842 posts since 28/11/10
6 Jun 2014 14:53
^^^
Mate that's increasing strength, not building muscle. It's perfectly possible to increase your strength on a deficit, but it isn't possible to build new tissue.
eazypz
2587 posts since 16/4/10
posted 6 Jun 2014 15:01, edited 6 Jun 2014 15:01
Its hard to tell, but my arms measured the same after an 8 week programme, meaning I must of gained muscle whilst the fat has been burned off. I had much more definition and vascularity.
ShaneB
842 posts since 28/11/10
posted 6 Jun 2014 15:06, edited 6 Jun 2014 15:06
I doubt it - building muscle whilst losing fat is the holy grail of bodybuilding: it simply can't be done.
It's basic biology: when you're eating at a surplus, your body has surplus energy (from calories) to build new tissue. When you're at a deficit your body is being deprived of enough energy to sustain itself at its current weight, hence your body dips into its fat reserves for energy and therefore uses up fat (hence the fat loss). Your body can't create new tissue if it can't even maintain its current weight!
There are a few exceptions to that rule (for example obese people), but I doubt you're obese!
CovOne
8564 posts since 17/8/04
6 Jun 2014 15:36
That is your view though, people plus individual testimony suggests other wise.
Subjective!
6 Jun 2014 15:43
You can build muscle and lose fat…I would usually say forget bout abs if your want gains or vice versa, maybe Shane thinking at a higher level…but I know what Shane is saying and in general he's completely right!! It's better to focus on one or the other!!
By build muscle..I'm not meaning bulk obv
bill
4605 posts since 5/8/09
6 Jun 2014 15:43
Not sure I get this conversation. I've always built muscle while burning fat. At least I did before I checked into the concentration camp.
On another note, how's everyone having their oatmeal? I had best bowl in ages today, organic amisa oatmeal with homemade almond milk(30% almonds), chopped up apple, cinnamon and date syrup. Also, I seem to prefer to cook it in the microwave, when I do it on the stove it all goes too creamy and loses all it's texture.
eazypz
2587 posts since 16/4/10
posted 6 Jun 2014 15:58, edited 6 Jun 2014 15:58
Same Bill, as Cov said really too.
My breakfast is currently: 60g organic oats, teaspoon of peanut butter, handful of blueberries, teaspoon organic cocoa powder, scoop of chocolate whey and half a pint of soya milk, chucked in the blender and made into a shake. Does me nicely and tastes good too.
I savour the extra 20 minutes in bed rather than cooking my porridge but also found that micowaving it was much better than cooking it on the stove.
Ruben
10775 posts since 2/7/03
6 Jun 2014 16:07
Instant oats straight down the hatch with a few scoops of whey and cold water.
Ruben
10775 posts since 2/7/03
posted 6 Jun 2014 16:09, edited 6 Jun 2014 16:09
.. and my golden rule is still never ever listen to a word anyone has to say about training unless they are in better shape than me.
ShaneB
842 posts since 28/11/10
6 Jun 2014 17:06
Serious question: who says it's outdated?
CovOne
8564 posts since 17/8/04
6 Jun 2014 17:24
The calorie in/out being optimal for weight loss? Nearly every respected trainer/nutritionist what ever you want to call them in the industry has moved away from that to a hormone based way of thinking backed up by the science.
6 Jun 2014 17:42
Rippetoe comment is about the only semi-intelligent thing Shaneb has said in this thread.
Ruben, I get where you're coming from but it's woefully short-sighted.
6 Jun 2014 17:51
Isn't just that post Shane, your posts are full of half-truth bro science. Comes across to me as regurgitated rather than actually having a good understanding of the science.
posted 6 Jun 2014 17:54, edited 6 Jun 2014 17:54
I always thought you couldn't lose fat and gain muscle, but that might only apply to get super shredded as MTP says.
(Shouldn't really comment in this thread as not big/don't train)
Just skim-browsed that COVpost, cheers for posting, looks good.
