Ok I’m going to do this nice and slowly so you understand. Are you ready to be schooled? Pens out.

Italy has a huge elderly population and the some of the worst air pollution in Europe.

https://www.thelocal.it/20151230/italy-highest-in-eu-for-pollution-linked-deaths

An average of 25% of the population are prevalent smokers too. So a combination of older population, air pollution and years of lung damage could easily have caused more deaths than other countries, not to mention the large amount of Chinese workers that died initially in the North.

There is also a large percentage of the population that have 3 or more generations living in the same house. So elderly people living with younger ones thy could easily pass on COVID, especially children who seem to carry and pass it on without being affected by it.

There’s also been a very mild winter - unusually warm weather kills less elderly people than usual. So those that survived could easily have died of COVID later.

Translate and read if you so wish:

http://www.epiprev.it/andamento-della-mortalità-giornaliera-sismg-nelle-città-italiane-relazione-all’epidemia-di-covid-19

So what happened when the deaths started? Most of the Eastern European nurses who worked in care fled back home as talks of lockdown and border closures began. So there was a distinct lack of carers. This caused overloading in hospitals.

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

And also as Italy closed all its schools early, most parents were either leaving their kids with elderly relatives (potentially passing on the virus) or taking time off work, including doctors and nurses.

There is no hard evidence that locking down the population helps in any way, shape or form.

One day the truth will out.

Oh so now you can differentiate between the deaths?

So has COVID caused the 4000 plus deaths in the UK? Solely?

And the link I gave you was from the actual office of national statistics, not some other site that can put a spin on it. What did I actually quote?

“ In the 2017 to 2018 winter period, there were an estimated 50,100 excess winter deaths in England and Wales”

Explain these extra deaths please?

You’re very good at telling me what didn’t cause the deaths, so what did?

50,000 excess deaths isn’t to be…… sneezed at….. Excuse the pun.

There's excess winter deaths every winter, this isn't difficult fudge. You literally made up that 40k died due to beast from the east, backed it up with an ONS link that says there were 50k excess winter deaths but doesn't mention beast from the east at all and you're now asking for people to disprove your nonexistent theory. Trumpian I think is the word.

“The number of excess winter deaths in England and Wales in 2017 to 2018 was the highest recorded since the winter of 1975 to 1976. However, peaks like these are not unusual – we have seen more than eight peaks during the last 40 years. It is likely that last winter’s increase was due to the predominant strain of flu, the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine and below-average winter temperatures”.

From the ONS website. Excess refers to the difference between the period before and after. There were 44k excess deaths in 14/15, how are you saying 40k were can be solely attributed to BFTE. I honestly just think you're trolling now, noone is this dumb while attempting to call other people stupid aside from MLI of course.

The first quote i used is from YOUR source/link (Office of national statistics) and it directly contradicts your own argument.



EWD is a way to compare the number of deaths during the winter months versus during the rest of the year, because more people ALWAYS die during the winter months. That is what "excess" means in this context, not "extra" deaths compared to other winters or years.

is this the gambling thread still??

I've been wondering this for ages. Are we sure fudge's posts aren't a performance piece? Because I want to believe no one can be this dense.