General Discussion: Grumpy Young Men


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EVERS
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8580 posts since 2/7/06

8 Apr 2012 11:51
the workplace is a constantly moving feast - when i started work final pensions were the norm. now theyre not. you dont see people complaining. that's life. things change. nothing is set in stone.
EVERS
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8580 posts since 2/7/06

8 Apr 2012 11:56
gawkrodger wrote:
EVERS wrote:
DuffMan wrote:
Everyone wrote: EVERS is a cunt
youre a boring cunt who spends his life on this website and hijacks every other post. if you want to make it personal, pm me.

striking is pointless in this era and achieves nothing. this is 2012, not 1912. you take personal responsibility for everything. if you want to be a teacher or a nurse, you sign up to certain criteria. if you want to be rich or don't like it, do something else - they'll be plenty more ready to take your place.

its laughable that in this era, someone would purposely withdraw their labour because someone else tells them to.

I can't decide if you're

a) on a wind up
b) thick
c) a selfish middle class cunt

why cant you decide? will you have to have your shop steward tell you what you can do you fucking lemming.
Crackajack
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7198 posts since 21/4/05

8 Apr 2012 12:12
EVERS wrote: the workplace is a constantly moving feast - when i started work final pensions were the norm. now theyre not. you dont see people complaining. that's life. things change. nothing is set in stone.

Surrender to the fact that corporations and now governments are going to fuck you over, dont dare complain about it or let alone do anything about! Laughing out loud

Great advice.

Why cant things be changed to improve workers conditions?

The 'turkeys voting for Christmas' in here is hilarious some times as well…
Eswin
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204 posts since 1/8/10

8 Apr 2012 15:10
EVERS wrote: you dont see people complaining.
the fact people still strike says otherwise
sofasogud
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5198 posts since 13/3/03

8 Apr 2012 15:38
CovOne wrote: The pressure, the hours, the mentally draining day it is day in day out slog. We are being made vilified every day by the absolute epitome of upper crust cunt Gove who has no idea what it is like to deal with inner city kids on a personal level.


I wouldn't do it for all the holidays in the world. Not just inner city kids that are ghastly but the awful braying stuck up ones too. they all lack basic manners and share a breath taking level of entitlement - Thatcher's children indeed.
tical
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110 posts since 2/2/12

8 Apr 2012 15:53
Totally agreed. Even if the salary was trebled, I still wouldn't consider being a teacher. The argument that they have it easy because of their hours is ridiculous.
nick2
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7231 posts since 18/2/09

8 Apr 2012 16:47
tical wrote: Totally agreed. Even if the salary was trebled, I still wouldn't consider being a teacher.

me neither, kids are cunts these days and their parents are just as bad

Rez
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7989 posts since 5/4/09

8 Apr 2012 19:02
All the people I know that are teachers work way harder than I do.
eent
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9015 posts since 25/2/05

8 Apr 2012 19:21
Pull your finger out then.
Rez
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7989 posts since 5/4/09

8 Apr 2012 19:31
Roll Eyes
EVERS
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8580 posts since 2/7/06

8 Apr 2012 20:33
Crackajack wrote:
EVERS wrote: the workplace is a constantly moving feast - when i started work final pensions were the norm. now theyre not. you dont see people complaining. that's life. things change. nothing is set in stone.

Surrender to the fact that corporations and now governments are going to fuck you over, dont dare complain about it or let alone do anything about! Laughing out loud

Great advice.

Why cant things be changed to improve workers conditions?

The 'turkeys voting for Christmas' in here is hilarious some times as well…

what have your your comments got to do with the context of striking? in the real world, if you dont like the conditions, you sort the issue out yourself or fuck off and go/do something different. it seems to be only archaic, unionised environments that seem to breed this attitude.

get real - nothing's perfect. never will be.
EVERS
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8580 posts since 2/7/06

8 Apr 2012 20:37
Eswin wrote:
EVERS wrote: you dont see people complaining.
the fact that only unionised people who are told to strike by the union ringleaders, rather than making their individual thoughts known says otherwise cos they cant and don't know how to find a better way

its the mentality of the lemming mob and those who sign up to it have nailed their colours to the mast, good or bad
Boing
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238 posts since 16/5/09

8 Apr 2012 20:40
EVERS you are a grade A knob! Laughing out loud
EVERS
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8580 posts since 2/7/06

8 Apr 2012 20:53
why's that then? i know of nobody that i've ever met in my life that has striked or supports striking. i would likely be ostracised by friends and family if i did so because they all recognise it is utterless pointless in britain in 2012. this is not afganistan.

i personally have withheld my labour on 2 occasions within the private sector when management have fucked me off. i did not request nor covet other workers to support my grievance and returned to the coalface when the management backed down. that's principles. my problem, i deal with it - i dont drag others in - would never ever dream of it.

Crackajack
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7198 posts since 21/4/05

8 Apr 2012 20:53
Because striking can be a legitimate way to improve working conditions. It is a tactic used by the private and public sector, and clearly you need an organisation like a union to organise it. Your actually criticisng people for being in a union and not 'sorting it out themselves'? Laughing out loud

How can someone sort it out themselves? We need unions because corporations want to screw 99% of their workers and they have a huge amount of power over the worker, being part of a union re-dresses that to an extent. Your saying its unfair that people can join a union and have fraction of the power their employer does when negotiating things like cuts to pensions (in private companies or public)?


CovOne
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8652 posts since 17/8/04

8 Apr 2012 20:56
EVERS wrote: why's that then? i know of nobody that i've ever met in my life that has striked or supports striking. i would likely be ostracised by friends and family if i did so because they all recognise it is utterless pointless in britain in 2012. this is not afganistan.

i personally have withheld my labour on 2 occasions within the private sector when management have fucked me off. i did not request nor covet other workers to support my grievance and returned to the coalface when the management backed down. that's principles. my problem, i deal with it - i dont drag others in - would never ever dream of it.

Really? How fucking small is that bubble you live in?
EVERS
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8580 posts since 2/7/06

8 Apr 2012 21:00
Crackajack wrote: Because striking can be a legitimate way to improve working conditions. It is a tactic used by the private and public sector, and clearly you need an organisation like a union to organise it. Your actually criticisng people for being in a union and not 'sorting it out themselves'? Laughing out loud

How can someone sort it out themselves? We need unions because corporations want to screw 99% of their workers and they have a huge amount of power over the worker, being part of a union re-dresses that to an extent. Your saying its unfair that people can join a union and have fraction of the power their employer does when negotiating things like cuts to pensions (in private companies or public)?
private sector do not strike. like i say. piss in the pot or get off it. strike is not a factor in private sector.
Crackajack
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7198 posts since 21/4/05

8 Apr 2012 21:02
"I dont strike because its pointless striking". So you would (and have) strike if it wasnt 'pointless'? Puzzled

So your saying that stikes should be made to be more effective, e.g. wildcat strikes or more militant striking? Puzzled

Crackajack
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7198 posts since 21/4/05

8 Apr 2012 21:04
Private sector do strike, but not as much as they would like to for fear of losing their jobs for effectively having an opinion in how the company is run.
EVERS
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8580 posts since 2/7/06

8 Apr 2012 21:04
CovOne wrote:
EVERS wrote: why's that then? i know of nobody that i've ever met in my life that has striked or supports striking. i would likely be ostracised by friends and family if i did so because they all recognise it is utterless pointless in britain in 2012. this is not afganistan.

i personally have withheld my labour on 2 occasions within the private sector when management have fucked me off. i did not request nor covet other workers to support my grievance and returned to the coalface when the management backed down. that's principles. my problem, i deal with it - i dont drag others in - would never ever dream of it.

Really? How fucking small is that bubble you live in?
have you ever been out of the midlands? is it still leyland rules there?
strikers=lemmings / cant do it by myself / need hand to be held / feel sorry for myself / no other way