General Discussion: Grumpy Young Men


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EssexBoyII
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7358 posts since 5/6/07

24 Feb 2022 21:26
I’ll preface this by saying - if a transsexual person asked me to refer to them as another gender then I would respect it. I may not agree but I’m not going to try and make that person feel bad.

But if you’re the hysterical oooh look at me, insta sharing type who isn’t trans then I expect you to be a cunt
YLAup
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5901 posts since 5/9/11

24 Feb 2022 21:39
What if they looked like the Cleaner Close women and had beards and voices like gravel?
Rez
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8937 posts since 5/4/09

24 Feb 2022 22:29
Rez wrote: I think the changes that came in with the gender recognition act have passed a lot of people by because of how uniquely transphobic the British press is.
figurine
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6135 posts since 14/5/07

24 Feb 2022 23:52
It's mad how low level transphobia just seems to be widely accepted. Not only that but having someone list their pronouns is really handy for people with uncommon or unisex names.
deuce
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14149 posts since 21/1/08

24 Feb 2022 23:54
Are you equally as transphobic then, because you’ve said that twice without informing us of said changes, oh wise one
MerciBeau
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4415 posts since 7/7/06

25 Feb 2022 00:12
figurine wrote: It's mad how low level transphobia just seems to be widely accepted. Not only that but having someone list their pronouns is really handy for people with uncommon or unisex names.

It irritates me , it's like you're saying - either you're pro-trans or you're transphobic.

I am totally trans-indifferent, and yeah I'll happily accommodate the wishes of any individual trans that asks me to say specific words to make them feel happier or whatever, but I'm not gonna put any pronouns or any kind outwardly public symbology of support for trans people, and frankly i think its pathetic when people use social media as a platform to show support for these kind of identity based political causes they are not themselves part of.
Crackajack
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8154 posts since 21/4/05

25 Feb 2022 01:00
I added my pronouns to some work stuff like email signatures because non-binary colleagues said it would help them feel like they could add theirs, and help start explaining non-binary to people who don't get it and avoid awkwardness.

It was optional and I didn't really give it much thought because it took about 20 seconds to do and I'm happy to share mine, but I know it meant a lot to people I work with that have had a horrible time because they aren't a binary gender, they have transitioned, or it isn't 'obvious'.

It's a bit like how banks used to address things to Master, Mr, Ms, Miss, Mrs - and they would ask you what you preferred. By putting your pronouns out there you are just helping others know how you like to be known, and helping people to be more comfortable to do the same.
figurine
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6135 posts since 14/5/07

25 Feb 2022 08:20
MerciBeau wrote:
figurine wrote: It's mad how low level transphobia just seems to be widely accepted. Not only that but having someone list their pronouns is really handy for people with uncommon or unisex names.

It irritates me , it's like you're saying - either you're pro-trans or you're transphobic.

My comment was more in relation to EssexBoy's "I may not agree" comment, that's not indifference imo.

I don't think it is binary either, I'd say the vast majority of people are largely indifferent or unaware when it comes to trans issues.
snaye
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11089 posts since 24/10/02

25 Feb 2022 09:03
Cracka is spot on.
jplxx
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2221 posts since 3/11/09

25 Feb 2022 09:07
snaye wrote: Cracka is spot on.
swiftus
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1830 posts since 1/7/09

posted 25 Feb 2022 09:20, edited 25 Feb 2022 09:20
Don't understand the hate of pronouns. Don't have it myself, but not against it.

It's weird how people will avoid/dislike someone because of something so minor. Does it threaten your way of life or something? Do you know why that person has put that pronoun there (e.g. support for friends, like mentioned above)?

Just feeds into this 'angry young men' narrative peddled by Jordan Peterson, et al. Maybe some deeper insecurities need to be addressed.
nothingelseworked
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3593 posts since 21/2/10

25 Feb 2022 11:22
People getting worked up over other people using pronouns Laughing out loud Laughing out loud Laughing out loud

Your empty lives are leaving you guys with a lot of time to be angry about nothing. Go pursue a hobby, find a partner, find purpose for your life. Please.
Sholto
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814 posts since 25/12/12

25 Feb 2022 11:24
Cracka is so spot on. If you're up in arms about putting pronouns in your email signature you should probably go and start a gammon thread.
jplxx
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2221 posts since 3/11/09

25 Feb 2022 11:27
“Cock/Arsehole” is mine.
Kadafi39
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2147 posts since 30/10/09

25 Feb 2022 11:32
I'm trans-indifferent, not my concern how people want to live their life and if they want to chop off their bits and dress as a different gender then carry on.

What does bother me though is that many people who share these beliefs think its normal to push their views on to others and force them to accept their ideology.

I don't agree with that and I don't agree with athletes who are born as one gender completing with athletes that were born as a different gender.

10 odd years ago those in charge were banning a person with prosthetic limbs from competing against fully able athletes of the same gender, now were handing out medals to men who have take a course of HRT and "identify" as a woman and allowing them to compete and absolutely dominate (because they are still men) their competitors. You have to draw the line somewhere.
Sholto
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814 posts since 25/12/12

posted 25 Feb 2022 11:46, edited 25 Feb 2022 11:46
Lol what, you're shoehorning an entirely different issue into the mix. There's a huge difference between sharing your pronouns (so that trans people aren't singled out as the only people doing so) and trans people competing in sports.

Quite a few posts in here coming across as very "I'm not racist but…"
Rez
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8937 posts since 5/4/09

posted 25 Feb 2022 11:58, edited 25 Feb 2022 11:58
A lot of fixation on surgery too, something that you don't need to do to affirm your gender.
Kadafi39
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2147 posts since 30/10/09

25 Feb 2022 12:11
Both issues arising out of the same matter though and perpetuated by everyone trying to be, or appear to be PC.
MerciBeau
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4415 posts since 7/7/06

25 Feb 2022 17:52
swiftus wrote: Don't understand the hate of pronouns. Don't have it myself, but not against it.

It's weird how people will avoid/dislike someone because of something so minor. Does it threaten your way of life or something? Do you know why that person has put that pronoun there (e.g. support for friends, like mentioned above)?

Just feeds into this 'angry young men' narrative peddled by Jordan Peterson, et al. Maybe some deeper insecurities need to be addressed.

I just don't want political shit everywhere to be honest - I think this idea that culture should be a battleground for political ideas is toxic, whether thats sports events taking a BLM knee, pronouns in email sigs, boomers sharing anti-vax stuff on facebook, etc. It cuts both ways. Obviously you see it more from cultural left these days because they dominate most institutions but back in the day it was the right doing it just as much.

This notion that making polarising issues more salient is a positive step towards solving them is something i just totally disagree with, the more we can ignore differences the better. Brushing stuff under the carpet a bit and ignoring the things we disagree on is just a way smarter and better approach in my opinion.
Sholto
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814 posts since 25/12/12

25 Feb 2022 18:09
Yep, as a fellow white straight male, I too wish that social injustices could just be ignored so that I can watch footie in peace.

You mongrels would be saying the same shit about women getting the right to vote just over 100 years ago.