General Discussion: Grumpy Young Men


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figurine
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6139 posts since 14/5/07

25 Feb 2022 18:19
MerciBeau wrote: This notion that making polarising issues more salient is a positive step towards solving them is something i just totally disagree with, the more we can ignore differences the better. Brushing stuff under the carpet a bit and ignoring the things we disagree on is just a way smarter and better approach in my opinion.

Lol wut?
Rez
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8947 posts since 5/4/09

25 Feb 2022 18:20
It does just sound like small c conservativism really. Which is fine!

Shows you've reached a pretty comfortable point in your life if the pace of change is okay for you and the people that matter to you. No need to dress it up as some enlightened way out of the culture war though.

MerciBeau
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4415 posts since 7/7/06

25 Feb 2022 18:53
Sholto wrote: Yep, as a fellow white straight male, I too wish that social injustices could just be ignored so that I can watch footie in peace.

You mongrels would be saying the same shit about women getting the right to vote just over 100 years ago.

'Straight white male', this is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about - replacing material analysis with standpoint theories and appeals to identity - it's toxic anti-thought.

Whats the point of even having a conversation with someone who has this style of logic - where the options are either agree with you or just be considered wrong not because of what I say but because i have the wrong kind of tackle in my pants, who i have sex with or because my skin tone doesn't match up with your scoreboard of truthfulness. Utter idiocy clearly fueled by an addiction to social media.

Trying to draw a link between what you believe and woman's suffrage is honestly laughable, seen as their argument was based on women being equal to men and to be listened to and taken seriously based on what they say not who they are - when the entire principles you seem to put forward rests on the complete opposite idea that the content of what someone says or thinks is irrelevant, all that matters is an arbitrary set of rules based on random things like skin colour or who you have sex with.

Anti-liberal identity politics just creates more problems in the world. It's already dying off because its so utterly cringey and that can't happen fast enough tbh.

MerciBeau
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4415 posts since 7/7/06

25 Feb 2022 18:56
figurine wrote:
MerciBeau wrote: This notion that making polarising issues more salient is a positive step towards solving them is something i just totally disagree with, the more we can ignore differences the better. Brushing stuff under the carpet a bit and ignoring the things we disagree on is just a way smarter and better approach in my opinion.

Lol wut?

Pretty simple, focus on things that unite people not things that divide people. Like everyone likes food, humour, sport, etc. etc. We can focus on those things rather the things that instantly polarise groups apart.
figurine
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6139 posts since 14/5/07

25 Feb 2022 19:07
MerciBeau wrote:
figurine wrote:
MerciBeau wrote: This notion that making polarising issues more salient is a positive step towards solving them is something i just totally disagree with, the more we can ignore differences the better. Brushing stuff under the carpet a bit and ignoring the things we disagree on is just a way smarter and better approach in my opinion.

Lol wut?

Pretty simple, focus on things that unite people not things that divide people. Like everyone likes food, humour, sport, etc. etc. We can focus on those things rather the things that instantly polarise groups apart.

So if we just talk about pizza toppings we'll solve racism?
MerciBeau
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4415 posts since 7/7/06

25 Feb 2022 19:27
figurine wrote:
MerciBeau wrote:
figurine wrote:
MerciBeau wrote: This notion that making polarising issues more salient is a positive step towards solving them is something i just totally disagree with, the more we can ignore differences the better. Brushing stuff under the carpet a bit and ignoring the things we disagree on is just a way smarter and better approach in my opinion.

Lol wut?

Pretty simple, focus on things that unite people not things that divide people. Like everyone likes food, humour, sport, etc. etc. We can focus on those things rather the things that instantly polarise groups apart.

So if we just talk about pizza toppings we'll solve racism?

Pretty much yeah.
EssexBoyII
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7361 posts since 5/6/07

25 Feb 2022 20:03
Sholto wrote: You mongrels would be saying the same shit about women getting the right to vote just over 100 years ago.

This is unique madness that can only come from echo chambers Laughing out loud Laughing out loud
Sholto
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820 posts since 25/12/12

25 Feb 2022 20:21
EssexBoyII wrote:
Sholto wrote: You mongrels would be saying the same shit about women getting the right to vote just over 100 years ago.

This is unique madness that can only come from echo chambers Laughing out loud Laughing out loud
Mate if you're that triggered about putting some pronouns in an email signature then I have absolutely no doubts Laughing out loud

He/him/his
morning mist
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3639 posts since 29/5/05

25 Feb 2022 21:54
someone update the thread title to grumpy old men
pentonville
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1056 posts since 12/3/12

25 Feb 2022 22:38
This thread Laughing out loud charged with 'I'm not racist but' energy Laughing out loud
pentonville
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1056 posts since 12/3/12

25 Feb 2022 22:44
80% of posters in this thread would start a sentence irl with "what it is right…"
pentonville
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1056 posts since 12/3/12

25 Feb 2022 22:46
MerciBeau wrote: seen as their

Big one
MerciBeau
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4415 posts since 7/7/06

25 Feb 2022 23:22
pentonville wrote:
MerciBeau wrote: seen as their

Big one

Sorry i didnt go to whatever posh cunt prep school you did pal
pentonville
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1056 posts since 12/3/12

posted 25 Feb 2022 23:29, edited 25 Feb 2022 23:29
MerciBeau wrote: Like everyone likes food, humour, sport

MerciBeau
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4415 posts since 7/7/06

25 Feb 2022 23:33
pentonville wrote:
MerciBeau wrote: Like everyone likes food, humour, sport


Yeah, you know what, you're right it's obviously far more conducive to harmonious living to dig up every shred of difference or perceived historic injustice between people and relentlessly focus on that.
Rez
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8947 posts since 5/4/09

posted 26 Feb 2022 07:08, edited 26 Feb 2022 07:08
MerciBeau wrote:
pentonville wrote:
MerciBeau wrote: seen as their

Big one

Sorry i didnt go to whatever posh cunt prep school you did pal

Woah there, pal, cool it, getting way too political with this class chat! Let us talk about our favourite curry, footballers that aren't Marcus Rashford, a good top gear episode, how much we enjoy penis-in-the-vagina sex when our wives will let us, or a time-saving route to the local retail park
figurine
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6139 posts since 14/5/07

26 Feb 2022 10:04
MerciBeau wrote:
figurine wrote:
MerciBeau wrote:
figurine wrote:
MerciBeau wrote: This notion that making polarising issues more salient is a positive step towards solving them is something i just totally disagree with, the more we can ignore differences the better. Brushing stuff under the carpet a bit and ignoring the things we disagree on is just a way smarter and better approach in my opinion.

Lol wut?

Pretty simple, focus on things that unite people not things that divide people. Like everyone likes food, humour, sport, etc. etc. We can focus on those things rather the things that instantly polarise groups apart.

So if we just talk about pizza toppings we'll solve racism?

Pretty much yeah.

I assume then you're a straight, white male? It's a lot easier to ignore the marginalisation of groups within society when you're part of the least marginalised group in society. Maybe people who experience racism etc regularly don't have the privilege of getting to ignore it like you'd want.
Sholto
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820 posts since 25/12/12

26 Feb 2022 11:04
Careful, you might trigger him with that sort of identity politics. Man just wants to eat his pork pie in peace while he watches the footie. It's not his problem so why should he care?
MerciBeau
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4415 posts since 7/7/06

26 Feb 2022 16:31
figurine wrote:
MerciBeau wrote:
figurine wrote:
MerciBeau wrote:
figurine wrote:
MerciBeau wrote: This notion that making polarising issues more salient is a positive step towards solving them is something i just totally disagree with, the more we can ignore differences the better. Brushing stuff under the carpet a bit and ignoring the things we disagree on is just a way smarter and better approach in my opinion.

Lol wut?

Pretty simple, focus on things that unite people not things that divide people. Like everyone likes food, humour, sport, etc. etc. We can focus on those things rather the things that instantly polarise groups apart.

So if we just talk about pizza toppings we'll solve racism?

Pretty much yeah.

I assume then you're a straight, white male? It's a lot easier to ignore the marginalisation of groups within society when you're part of the least marginalised group in society. Maybe people who experience racism etc regularly don't have the privilege of getting to ignore it like you'd want.

Such a twitter-brained take. Why is there this obtuse idea that if anyone believes that performative groupthink idpol is counterproductive then they don't care about these issues?

Is it that difficult for you to get your head around the idea that some people think society's problems are best solved outside of the realms of narcissistic attention seeking on social media and popular entertainment?

Maybe if people actually cared about marginalised groups they'd mentor some people from them or do pro-bono work helping them, or go into schools in deprived areas and do some actual work trying to create opportunities for them..? Things which i have actually done plenty of and never once have any of the people i have interacted with in these situations said 'you know what mate, I'd rather you posted something on social media'.

Of all the work i have done in these areas the one thing that i find again and again is that whatever 'activists' are saying on twitter or putting into allegria art infographics is usually the total opposite of what most marginalised people actually want.
figurine
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6139 posts since 14/5/07

26 Feb 2022 16:42
Such a twitter-brained take. Why is there this obtuse idea that if anyone believes that performative groupthink idpol is counterproductive then they don't care about these issues?

People who care about these sort of issues generally don't want to sweep them under the carpet or ignore them.

Your long, irrelevant rant about Twitter seems to have been triggered by me pointing out that your privilege allows you the option of ignoring these sort of issues. How can people facing discrimination brush it under the carpet?