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captainwasteman
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321 posts since 6/3/09

2 May 2010 10:55
I can't stand Immortal Technique. He's really popular here though, European kids go crazy for the whole contrived pseudo-revolutionary shtick that he's running with. He's a clever businessman.
jimm
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1558 posts since 22/11/04

2 May 2010 12:07
Immortal Technique is awful. The best hip hop in the last ten years has come from J Dilla and Dipset.
Hi-Definition
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1703 posts since 6/12/08

2 May 2010 12:10
Heard anything by Vado, the new member of Dipset? Few good tracks.

Anyone else looking forward to distant relatives - Nas and Damian Marley?
deuce
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14165 posts since 21/1/08

2 May 2010 14:44
in my opinion, immortal tecnique and canibus are shit. scientific or long words does not = lyrical. because they try too hard to be lyrical, their flow suffers and it just sounds shit.

cant believe no one has mentioned outkast or andre 3000?? especially lupe fans.. look past 'hey ya' etc, thats just to keep the money rolling in.. dre 3000 is probably one of the most underrated MC's (along with xzibit tbh)
on of my fav outkast tracks - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ygqj3RbHFU

my top 5;
big l
jay-z
dre 3000
common
big pun

some of my fav albums;
doe or die - AZ
reasonable doubt - jay-z
E1999 - bone thugs
capital punishment - big pun
lifestylez - big l
take it or squeeze it - beatnuts
blackstar - blackstar
resurrection - common sense
the chronic - dre
illmatic - nas
the score - fugees
atliens - outkast
southerplayalisticaddilacmuzik - outkast
OB4CL - raekwon
36 chambers - wutang
illadeph halflife - the roots
the beautiful struggle - talib
at the speed of life - xzibit
all eyez on me - tupac

grew up on hiphop, but to be fair im getting a bit bored with it now…
phelen
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6800 posts since 16/8/06

2 May 2010 15:01
MLI wrote: I used to like DJs a lot and when I heard the DJ Krush album Meiso.


Its all about Kemuri and his Code 4109 mixtape is the fucking shit.

Edit:Also R.A the Rugged Man.
captainwasteman
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321 posts since 6/3/09

2 May 2010 15:16
Whoa whoa whoa there, there's a lot more to Canibus than long words or esoteric rants, and you should never put him in the same category as someone like Immortal Technique. He got boring a number of years ago, yeah, but that was more due to him being quite one-dimensional and essentially a battle rapper, and nothing more.

In the late 90's though, Canibus was without a doubt, the best, most exciting rapper to emerge in years, and completely destroyed every single track he was on. Between around 96 and 2000 or so, the first thing you'd do when you got a new hip hop album would be check on the back for a Canibus guest appearance, and he'd basically always embarrass whoever appeared on the track with him.

Ten years later though, he's probably still rapping about the same thing. Everyone just got kinda tired of it.
vip
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3970 posts since 27/3/06

2 May 2010 15:34
if any one is interested

Game - The Red Room mixtape

http://www.relink.us/view.php?id=d2e546ed8a4d2e7e357348aa13bc7c

Tracklist

1- 400 Bars (The Skeemix)
2- Ha Ha ft. Nipsey Hussle
3- The Professionals ft. Menace, Maad Maxx, Kanary Diamonds
4- Revolver Or The Semi ft. Mysonne
5- Drop The World ft. Kanary Diamonds
6- Never Stop Hustlin ft. Fabolous
7- Gangsta
8- Gangs Of New York ft. Jadakiss & Jim Jones
9- Trippin ft. Kanary Diamonds
10- Everything Red ft. Lil Wayne & Birdman
11- First Lady ft. Kanary Diamonds
12- Lowrider ft. Busta Rhymes
13- It Must Be Me ft. Pharrell
14- Maad Maxxx Freestyle
15- Dopeman ft. XO
16- Diamonds ft. K-Young
17- Heartbreak Hotel ft. Diddy
18- Slangin Rocks
19- Shake (TRV$ Remix)

Bonus Track
20- Over- Juice & Mysonne
Rez
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9002 posts since 5/4/09

2 May 2010 15:41
Def Jux farewell mix for anybody interested, quite a shame that the label folded. :http://www.shabooty.com/2010/02/06/farewell-def-jux-1999-2010-mixtape.php

My favourite hip hop albums:

GZA- Liquid Swords
Company Flow- Funcrusher Plus
Outkast- Stankonia

Pretty standard stuff really. Good thread, picked up a load of stuff that I had forgotten/didn't know about.
Hi-Definition
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1703 posts since 6/12/08

2 May 2010 15:54
That Jay Electronic stuff is awesome Nick cheers for the link, nice to find some new stuff from this!

Immortal techniques flow and voice are great and he's good with words…Just needs to tone down the shock factor/Conspiracy theories/Revolutionary. Obnoxious is a great tune though.
Rez
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9002 posts since 5/4/09

2 May 2010 15:55
I can't stand Immortal Technique in the same way I can't stand Rage Against The Machine.

phelen
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6800 posts since 16/8/06

2 May 2010 15:56
rez wrote: Def Jux farewell mix for anybody interested, quite a shame that the label folded. :http://www.shabooty.com/2010/02/06/farewell-def-jux-1999-2010-mixtape.php

Its not folded.

Dear Inter-web, fans, friends and JUX family,

People keep asking me what's up with JUX. There's been some talk, there have been some rumors. Some half true, some way off. Reports of our demise have been mildly exaggerated. Here's what it really all boils down to: (read on)

This year, a decade after starting DEF JUX and after overseeing the releases of some incredible albums including the forthcoming release of my dear late and great friend Camu Tao's brilliant "KING OF HEARTS" LP, I'm stepping away from my duties as artistic director for the label to concentrate on what I love most: being a producer and an artist full time. This is something I've been contemplating for a few years now, and can't think of a better time or, with the eventual release of Camu's record, a more poetic way to transition into a new direction.

This means change for JUX. Of course we'll still have our website, we will still sell our catalog, merch and more as well as bring you news and updates on all our projects and artists. We will be releasing "KING OF HEARTS", a DEF JUX remix compilation, a 10 year anniversary retrospective and some other goodies. But then as a traditional record label DEF JUX will effectively be put on hiatus. We are not closing, but we are changing. The process is already underway, and the last several months (for those wondering what the hell we've been up to) have been spent dealing with the technical aspects of wrapping up the label in it's current form and re-imagining our collective and individual futures.

In 2000 starting a traditional record label made a lot of sense. But now, in 2010, less so and I find myself yearning for something else to put my energy into. I also see newer, smarter, more interesting things on the horizon for the way art and commerce intersect, and as an artist and an entrepreneur, I'm eager to see them unfold. The evolution of this industry is, in my opinion, exciting, inevitable and it would be nice to see the DEFINITIVE JUX brand be a part of it. In other words, maybe we can turn this hoopty in to a hovercraft.

All business aside, and regardless of what form JUX may inevitably take, my focus for the immediate future is going to be back-to-basics. The fun stuff: sitting in the studio and immersing myself in music, performing it for for my fans when the time comes and whatever (or wherever) else might be out there creatively for me. Thats how it all started and that's how the next phase will begin. The days of me dedicating the majority of my time and energy into providing JUX with a constant stream of physical releases from multiple artists are on hold for the time being. My heart (and what little common sense I possess) is telling me to simplify my focus and it has always been my policy to listen to my heart.

Truly, DEF JUX has been amazing to be a part of. So many good people. So much fun. I feel very lucky to be friends and collaborators with people who have affected and continue to affect my life and work deeply and indelibly. Working with the likes of Amaechi Uzoigwe, Jesse Ferguson, Jason Drake, and Katy Eustis at JUX as well as allies like Kathryn Frazier (biz3), Michael Bull and Lisa Socransky-Austin (to name only a few) has been incredible. These are people who worked for generally meager wages because they loved what they did and they believed in the artists and the idea of DEF JUX. Anyone would be lucky to have worked with even one person as dedicated and passionate as all of them are. They are true champions of indie music and they (and too many others to mention here) have my gratitude and loyalty forever.

None of it would have existed, though, if not for the artists. Artists who rolled the dice on us the same way we did on them, and were there with us as we battled it all out. CAMU, MR LIF, AESOP ROCK, MURS, CAGE, ROB SONIC, HANGAR 18, CHIN CHIN, CANNIBAL OX, THE PERCEPTIONISTS, RJD2, DESPOT, SA SMASH, YAK BALLZ, CRAYZ, THE MIGHTY UNDERDOGS, DIZZEE RASCAL, DEL, P.F.A.C, ACTIVATOR, COOL CALM PETE … the list goes on. I consider them all geniuses at what they do. Every victory that they have had and will have will always feel like a victory for myself and all of us at JUX. It's been a joy to create and even struggle with them all. It has not always been easy, but it's almost always been fulfilling. I only hope the work we put in together helped build a path to their collective futures. They have my sincerest well wishes and genuine respect.

Lastly and most importantly are the fans… holy shit THE FANS! Our fans are no joke. I can't tell you how humbled I am to have felt the love and respect that they have shown us all. Even when we did things they didn't like, they stuck around. This was their label as much as ours. We answered to them, and yet they respected that we did what we loved, nothing more and nothing less. We always will. You are why we do any of this, and I'll never be able to express how much your support means to all of us. I think I speak for all of us Jukies when I say I love making music for you and can't wait to make more.

Until then, on behalf of everyone here at JUX and from the bottom of my heart, thank you.

EL-P
Founder/Artistic Director/Recording Artist
DEFINITIVE JUX
Rez
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9002 posts since 5/4/09

2 May 2010 15:59
Sorry, I thought it had. Oops
Soultimate
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3356 posts since 8/9/08

2 May 2010 16:38
phelen wrote:
MLI wrote: I used to like DJs a lot and when I heard the DJ Krush album Meiso.


Its all about Kemuri and his Code 4109 mixtape is the fucking shit.

Edit:Also R.A the Rugged Man.

good shout on RA.
love this track, he kills the second verse..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u53OucpOKQ&hl=en_GB&fs=1&;
loom
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1444 posts since 2/6/07

2 May 2010 16:46
Jordan wrote: in my opinion, immortal tecnique and canibus are shit. scientific or long words does not = lyrical. because they try too hard to be lyrical, their flow suffers and it just sounds shit.

cant believe no one has mentioned outkast or andre 3000?? especially lupe fans.. look past 'hey ya' etc, thats just to keep the money rolling in.. dre 3000 is probably one of the most underrated MC's (along with xzibit tbh)
on of my fav outkast tracks - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ygqj3RbHFU

my top 5;
big l
jay-z
dre 3000
common
big pun

some of my fav albums;
doe or die - AZ
reasonable doubt - jay-z
E1999 - bone thugs
capital punishment - big pun
lifestylez - big l
take it or squeeze it - beatnuts
blackstar - blackstar
resurrection - common sense
the chronic - dre
illmatic - nas
the score - fugees
atliens - outkast
southerplayalisticaddilacmuzik - outkast
OB4CL - raekwon
36 chambers - wutang
illadeph halflife - the roots
the beautiful struggle - talib
at the speed of life - xzibit
all eyez on me - tupac

grew up on hiphop, but to be fair im getting a bit bored with it now…

I love Outkast mate Smiling Totally agree that Andre 3000 is an underrated MC, especially on lyrics, but so is Big Boi, really like his new stuff from the solo album too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnbO8GE4V5M&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xd0d0d0&hl=en_GB&feature=player_detailpage&fs=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FUPPurcasM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiwDs01pfZM
(This one grows on you!)

But the old stuff too Cool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YBFYZxu2dw&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xd0d0d0&hl=en_GB&feature=player_detailpage&fs=1
Hi-Definition
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1703 posts since 6/12/08

2 May 2010 16:51
Never listened to much of RA's stuff but his verse in Jedi Mind tricks track is exceptional (cool video aswell)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IbitVPIRwc&hl=en_GB&fs=1&;

Can't get this Wale track out my head either "Hoe's call me Mr never wear the same thang"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9M7XpHqeP0&hl=en_GB&fs=1&;
Tony
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1011 posts since 28/10/08

2 May 2010 16:53
MC's

Jay Electronica
Nas
Black Thought

UK
Jehst
Yungun
Verb T
Tommy Evans

Producers

Dilla
Premier
Pete Rock
Teebs
Flying L
Madlib

UK
Lewis Parker
IQ
AIM

Groups

A Tribe
Souls of Mischief
Beastie Boys

This is just off the top of the dome. So much more.

Oh and been listening to pete philly from Amsterdam again lately. If you don't no listen to him!
Ineff
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9855 posts since 7/4/04

2 May 2010 17:55
jimm wrote: Immortal Technique is awful. The best hip hop in the last ten years has come from J Dilla and Dipset.

Word.

Ineff
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9855 posts since 7/4/04

2 May 2010 18:02
MCs:
Big L
Camron
Juelz
Black Thought
Big Pun

Albums:
Atmosphere - God Loves Ugly
Camron - Purple Haze
Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow
Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride
Sage Francis - Personal Journals

I'd probably answer differently every time. I like quite a range of shit lol.
Rez
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9002 posts since 5/4/09

2 May 2010 18:06
Oh yeah add Clipse Hell Hath Fury and Labcabincalifornia on my list.
phelen
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6800 posts since 16/8/06

2 May 2010 19:07
Talking of great hip hop legendsSad

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/interviews/id.1535/title.tasha-denham-just-to-get-a-rep

Interesting interview with Solars ex.

"There was one night we were at Guru's house. I was about three months pregnant at the time. Guru kept defending himself. Guru actually stood up and kind of got in Solar's face about it. Next thing I know, Solar punched him in the face. From that point in time, he just started kicking him and hitting him. Guru was fighting back, he wasn't just sitting there being a punk, but at the same time, Guru had severe asthma. He didn't have his inhaler. He started really hyper-ventalating and really having a hard time, and Solar kept beating him. It wasn't a fight anymore, it was beating him. I felt that it was so bad that I got in between the two of them and broke it up, because I knew he wouldn't hit me of course. At that point in time, I was pregnant with his child.

Instead of stopping and making sure his partner, friend, "brother" - as he calls him was okay, Guru was sitting there saying, "I'm having an asthma attack. I need to go to the hospital. I think I'm gonna have a heart attack." He's bleeding, really shaking. Instead of stopping and calming himself down, [Solar] told me, "We're leaving," and goes and gets in the car and drives me back to the city. [He] didn't call and check on Guru, didn't make sure he was alright. That's probably one of the first times I was like, "Wow, this relationship is really unhealthy. It's a really sick relationship." After that, if I didn't physically see it myself…I saw [Guru] punched in the face numerous times with no provocation. It [would just be] that he'd get upset with something Guru would say and punch him in the face. I know he knocked a tooth out of Guru's. I know he gave him a black eye [so Guru would] have to wear glasses for photo-shoots and concerts. To listen to [Solar] talk to [Guru], you'd think he was talking to a child sometimes. Guru would tell me how bad that hurt him. He'd say, "Back when we were just friends, he never would have spoken to me this way. He always treated me with respect. Now that we're doing this record label, he has no respect. He treats me this way." There was a fear in him. Solar had distanced him from everything in his life: his family, his ex-partner, the whole Gang Starr Foundation and the music industry, really, as a whole. Guru spent a lot of time alone. A lot of time, if he wasn't with Solar, he was by himself. It was his son or Solar. "