General Discussion: Independent vs. 'Big business' menswear shops


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Burt
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4857 posts since 3/1/10

posted 22 Jun 2018 11:40, edited 22 Jun 2018 11:40
Best of luck, swiftus. If your place has an online presence post it up (in the original post so it's always 'on top'), pal.
nothingelseworked
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3010 posts since 21/2/10

22 Jun 2018 12:06
Hanto wrote: Interesting points on playing safe/buying risky products.

Was just thinking this. To add to my post above, that actually aligns pretty well with how I dress and dressed. 2-3 years ago my dress sense was a bit more rascal/varied and it was mostly the indies that would buy the more interesting stuff from brands like OL. These days I'm very monochrome, so naturally my buying habits align with the safer shops.

Like I said, catalog/products trump everything. So depends on the type of customer you want to attract. A lot of indies definitely have something unique about them and their buyers/owners come through. Shops that really stick out to me as unique are places like Goodhood, Peggs, Always In Colour, and Oi Polloi.
swede
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7025 posts since 21/3/09

posted 22 Jun 2018 13:06, edited 22 Jun 2018 13:06
illwill wrote:
toocan wrote: Genuinely wish people that put there balls on the line all the best. Genuine admiration.

In the best possible way id say the fuk hive mind (not judging) doesnt reflect the local scene of provencial towns.

I'm sure the only thing that keeps loads of provincial independents afloat is a Stoney/CP account.

Stuff that never really goes out of fashion that plenty of people are willing to whack half their wages on a top for the weekend.

hoko make a tonne off Aesop and Margaret Howell totes…
toocan
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681 posts since 7/11/07

posted 22 Jun 2018 15:12, edited 22 Jun 2018 15:12
Appreciate this might be seen as an edge case but its an example none the less, the most successful/largest indy place in my old home town is a bricks and mortar place call Dr Kruger just pasted from their site (which is a trainwreck)

DIESEL, LYLE AND SCOTT, REPLAY, EDWIN, CARHARTT, MARSHALL ARTIST, ADIDAS, GOODWIN SMITH, CRUYFF, CONVERSE, UGG, WEEKEND OFFENDER, SAUCONY, FARAH, ASCEND, CREATIVE RECREATION, PEARLY KING, CUCKOOS NEST, BENCH and more..

Basically anything with a big word or logo on it, you see trends of copying the logo ebb and flow over time. Westwood - agreed, stone island I feel is definitely nationwide, when I go home now i see tshirts with that multicoloured donkey on it whatever the fuck that is, before that it was gold lion, before that the Lyle and Scott eagle etc… either way its printing money for them.. you could probably slap these into google trends and you would see em spike over time in certain areas
burny
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5736 posts since 25/5/06

22 Jun 2018 15:27
swede wrote:
illwill wrote:
toocan wrote: Genuinely wish people that put there balls on the line all the best. Genuine admiration.

In the best possible way id say the fuk hive mind (not judging) doesnt reflect the local scene of provencial towns.

I'm sure the only thing that keeps loads of provincial independents afloat is a Stoney/CP account.

Stuff that never really goes out of fashion that plenty of people are willing to whack half their wages on a top for the weekend.

hoko make a tonne off Aesop and Margaret Howell totes…

This sounds daft but I've stopped myself going in there. I always end up buying something if I do as feel guilty not doing so. Laughing out loud
swiftus
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544 posts since 1/7/09

posted 25 Jun 2018 10:13, edited 25 Jun 2018 10:13
Burt wrote: Best of luck, swiftus. If your place has an online presence post it up (in the original post so it's always 'on top'), pal.

Thanks Burt, I've posted it in already in the GJ section, don't want to seem like I'm taking advantage of the forum.

Genuinely interested in the discussion, so many good points made (and stuff that I need to change on my site).
Hanto
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1507 posts since 30/11/09

25 Jun 2018 11:11
What I would be interested to know is how the relationships are formed with the retailers and brands, and what factors come into play before someone will be able to stock a brand, e.g. Norse Projects' dealer criteria.

https://www.norseprojects.com/page/norse-projects#wholesale

As an extreme, I heard that the guy from Alpha Shadows used a translator to open up the relationship with the brands they stock, as he wanted them to think he had enough respect to not just speak to them in English. Are some brands more relaxed on who they work with, compared with others?
Trent
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1784 posts since 18/1/09

25 Jun 2018 14:59
Someone from End told me that Lyle & Scott blowing up around 10 years ago was what allowed them to grow to a second shop which ultimately lead to getting the better accounts.
APROO
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419 posts since 16/7/11

25 Jun 2018 15:26
Trent wrote: Someone from End told me that Lyle & Scott blowing up around 10 years ago was what allowed them to grow to a second shop which ultimately lead to getting the better accounts.

Not the fact their parents are multi millionaires then lol? Laughing out loud
swiftus
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544 posts since 1/7/09

25 Jun 2018 15:38
APROO wrote:
Trent wrote: Someone from End told me that Lyle & Scott blowing up around 10 years ago was what allowed them to grow to a second shop which ultimately lead to getting the better accounts.

Not the fact their parents are multi millionaires then lol? Laughing out loud

Didn't know that was the case. Heard the same about the folk behind Goodhood