Random Fashion Questions: the official gayfish a.k.a kanye west fashion steez and incoporating his bird thread...all pics of either in hurr!


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Noble Locks
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4 Dec 2013 15:12
N3it1 wrote:
FLG wrote:
FrIEND wrote: on site, blood on the leaves and guilt trip are good imo. the rest arent worth bothering with.
I think Daft Punk and TNGHT can take 99% of credit for the first 2.
Lunice, Hudson Mohawke, Gesaffelstein, Brodinski, Daft Punk can take the credit for his new album tbh.
The credit of it being so totally shit?

There will be no break down jrdnikes. He dont even like the bird, its all part of his plan, and that plan is totally calculated.
deuce
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14142 posts since 21/1/08

4 Dec 2013 15:21
what plan?
Sench
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26 posts since 15/4/13

4 Dec 2013 15:35
AMK wrote: Charlamagne is right though. He denounces corporation, and calls everyone slaves to it, then has a hissy fit when they won't let him design/promote his stuff.

Also, just because you're a cultural figure with influence, it doesn't mean every industry should suddenly bow down to him. There are a lot of high-end brands that won't work with him because they don't want wigga wannabe fanboys buying their clothes. The link to hip-hop and general ass-hattery isn't always a good thing for a brand/company, so he needs to learn his place in the industry.

Talks about being a slave to expensive corporation and then sells tees for $150.

He's completely disappeared up his own arse.

They don't want "wigga wannabe fanboys" wearing their clothes? I think that's exactly the thing Kanye is opposing. That creative geniuses shouldn't be boxed in and just share their talent within a closed group. What's the point in designing clothes that only rich people can buy, Kanye wants this product to be for everyone. It's that the big fashion corporations sign these talented designers just so that they can sell over-priced, often, crap because people are slaves to public perception he is against. Given his latest round of interviews that should be pretty clear to just about anyone who's been listening.

He could work though on the way he addresses these problems and the way he comes off as. People who just turn in to listen to him going nuts on Sway will write Kanye off as mental without a moment's hesitation. I don't think half the ones calling him names have heard anything else except the crazy bits in his recent interviews. There are pure and good intentions behind all those rants if people would just listen and try to take in what he is actually saying.

If Kanye would have it his way there would most definitely be another series of Yeezys out there right now, probably even priced lower than earlier. Just to get that product out in a steady flow.

That thing with Nike not giving him royalties was utter bullshit on their side. No wonder Kanye is frustrated trying to work and get on with money hungry vultures just trying to exploit his brand.

Quite on the opposite I think it could potentially be very interesting with Kanye working as hard on establishing product the same way he established himself as a rapper. He is arguably a front runner in that department the way things are looking today.
deuce
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14142 posts since 21/1/08

4 Dec 2013 16:35
i dont understand why hes so desperate to 'break paris' and show at paris fashion week, if his brand is to be aimed at a younger audience.

he could easily set up his own brand of his own designs and market it (it'll basically market itself anyway through the huge amount of hype online), without going through the whole fashion week thing, and it'll cost a whole lot less.

he cant show at fashion week and appeal to teenagers with £30 disposable income at the same time.
Sebastian17
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2040 posts since 23/8/10

4 Dec 2013 16:40
Has anyone mentioned the 'Freestyle' he did on Sway's show Eek
joe151
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6230 posts since 21/2/07

4 Dec 2013 16:43
think he has accepted he will be left on the outside, would make sense with all the fashion based rants
Sench
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26 posts since 15/4/13

4 Dec 2013 17:27
deuce wrote: i dont understand why hes so desperate to 'break paris' and show at paris fashion week, if his brand is to be aimed at a younger audience.

he could easily set up his own brand of his own designs and market it (it'll basically market itself anyway through the huge amount of hype online), without going through the whole fashion week thing, and it'll cost a whole lot less.

he cant show at fashion week and appeal to teenagers with £30 disposable income at the same time.

That's basically what Sway asked him when he went nuts on him. How people don't understand that he invested 30 or something millions of his own money and lost it because he didn't have the proper production. Like people telling him "why can't you make your own shoes, why do you need Nike" it's because they have the production up and running. Kanye probably feels he should be let in and not have to start from the bottom because he has already proven himself with the LV-deal and Yeezys before. He is simply asking that Nike or whatever company help him with his plans in that regard. He wanted as he said a production place from Nike where he could work on getting out products and royalties as Jordan had in his deal.

The thing is Kanye is really hung up on the money here, as he has been criticized for. I mean it's not like his daughter wouldn't survive if he had stayed at Nike (his reason why he went with Adidas) and he is talking about that he has to provide for his family. But I guess the thing is that he feels that if his money is not on Jay or Diddy-level he is still in some way a slave because he can't do exactly what he wants. That's a bit arrogant ain't it.
Sebastian17
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2040 posts since 23/8/10

4 Dec 2013 17:47
Apart from the nonsense he spouts, its more the fact he just goes bonkers and shouts and rants - he is so incoherent and doesn't even have the decency to look sway or cha in the eyes even once during his interviews.

So if there is any sense to what he says (total bollocks in my opinion) he doesn't do himself any favours. Doesn't help that he is surrounded by sickophants constantly.

He's a complete ballbag. Wonder how Yeezus would have fared as a debut album from an unknown.
manula
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1648 posts since 11/9/11

4 Dec 2013 17:53
Where do you get £30 mil from, he opened a small office opposite the colette store in Paris, employed a few student and bought fabric in east london,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2043856/Kanye-West-spends-14-000-London-fabric-store-whilst-enjoying-cuppa.html
Noble Locks
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66963 posts since 10/7/03

4 Dec 2013 18:25
Sebastian17 wrote: he is so incoherent and doesn't even have the decency to look sway or cha in the eyes even once during his interviews.
Ive never ever looked anyone i dont know really well in the eye when talking to them in my life, i even turn my head away when i shake someones hand if i dont like the look of them. Arrogance is sometimes good, stops cunts thinking they can be friends with you when they cant. Cuts all the bollocks out early.
Noble Locks
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4 Dec 2013 18:25
P.s intelligent posting sench,
Sench
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4 Dec 2013 20:01
manula wrote: Where do you get £30 mil from, he opened a small office opposite the colette store in Paris, employed a few student and bought fabric in east london,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2043856/Kanye-West-spends-14-000-London-fabric-store-whilst-enjoying-cuppa.html

I heard thirty in the Sway-interview. He's also been saying the same things in most interviews recently that he lost the money in business ventures trying to empower himself.
inversesquare
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6769 posts since 7/6/08

4 Dec 2013 20:16
Surely it's partly that he feels he is discriminated against by European fashion houses because he's a rap artist and not a white man therefore they won't take him seriously. Some of the big hitters hate that their clothes and champagne are embraced so heavily by "thuggish rappers".

He likely wants to overcome this.
manula
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1648 posts since 11/9/11

4 Dec 2013 21:43
Sench wrote:
manula wrote: Where do you get £30 mil from, he opened a small office opposite the colette store in Paris, employed a few student and bought fabric in east london,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2043856/Kanye-West-spends-14-000-London-fabric-store-whilst-enjoying-cuppa.html

I heard thirty in the Sway-interview. He's also been saying the same things in most interviews recently that he lost the money in business ventures trying to empower himself.
Probably how much the creative genuis value his time he spent on the project, but in real money no.
FLG
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4 Dec 2013 23:08
Sench wrote: That's basically what Sway asked him when he went nuts on him. How people don't understand that he invested 30 or something millions of his own money and lost it because he didn't have the proper production. Like people telling him "why can't you make your own shoes, why do you need Nike" it's because they have the production up and running. Kanye probably feels he should be let in and not have to start from the bottom because he has already proven himself with the LV-deal and Yeezys before. He is simply asking that Nike or whatever company help him with his plans in that regard. He wanted as he said a production place from Nike where he could work on getting out products and royalties as Jordan had in his deal.

The thing is Kanye is really hung up on the money here, as he has been criticized for. I mean it's not like his daughter wouldn't survive if he had stayed at Nike (his reason why he went with Adidas) and he is talking about that he has to provide for his family. But I guess the thing is that he feels that if his money is not on Jay or Diddy-level he is still in some way a slave because he can't do exactly what he wants. That's a bit arrogant ain't it.
So in summary.
Nike allow a rapper with no design experience to create a trainer. It sells 4000 pairs @ $275 retail so probably $135 to Nike, 4000 x $135 is roughly half million. Minus production, import/export shipping/ taxes and marketing (granted they wouldn't need much marketing on these!) costs at absolute max they make $300k (0.001% of their $24.1Bn annual turnover). For this Nike should now allow Kanye access to the production that they have taken 50 years to amass. In addition he should also be paid royalties for this.
Seem fair? Should it happen as he is a "creative genius"?
toin
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2124 posts since 1/4/13

4 Dec 2013 23:33
@FLG

His claims are out there but to put it in his words, you're marginalizing his efforts. It's not just 'retail price x amount of shoes', it's how he designed a pair of sneakers ( twice mind ) that people would line up weeks and pay exorbitant amounts of money for. I can think of a very few artists or brands that can achieve this, maybe HTM or select Ronnie Fieg releases but they still aren't on the Air Yeezy hypelevel by a long shot. This in turn makes Nike a cooler and more relevant brand to lots of people creating more desire for other Nike products thus driving up sales.
I honestly think that even if he made 100000 pairs instead of 4000, the yeezies would still sell like hot cakes. Would bet money that half the people who are going to get the new AJ1 breds do so because he wears them lots as well.

Not saying they should hand him the keys to the nike kingdom however I think a person like Kanye is important to a brand and can potentially make or break it for a certain audience.
FLG
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5894 posts since 21/5/04

4 Dec 2013 23:52
That's because his efforts so far have been minimal. The Yeezy hype was purely cos it was Kanye, nothing to do with the trainers. I think everyone on here accepts the trainers are shit.
Jesus
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6095 posts since 7/10/08

4 Dec 2013 23:56
So in summary.
Nike allow a rapper with no design experience to create a trainer. It sells 4000 pairs @ $275 retail so probably $135 to Nike, 4000 x $135 is roughly half million. Minus production, import/export shipping/ taxes and marketing (granted they wouldn't need much marketing on these!) costs at absolute max they make $300k (0.001% of their $24.1Bn annual turnover). For this Nike should now allow Kanye access to the production that they have taken 50 years to amass. In addition he should also be paid royalties for this.
Seem fair? Should it happen as he is a "creative genius"?

so in summary, you know fuck all about marketing
Casper13
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1492 posts since 14/3/11

4 Dec 2013 23:57
Sench are you Ye?
FLG
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5894 posts since 21/5/04

5 Dec 2013 00:02
Jesus wrote:
So in summary.
Nike allow a rapper with no design experience to create a trainer. It sells 4000 pairs @ $275 retail so probably $135 to Nike, 4000 x $135 is roughly half million. Minus production, import/export shipping/ taxes and marketing (granted they wouldn't need much marketing on these!) costs at absolute max they make $300k (0.001% of their $24.1Bn annual turnover). For this Nike should now allow Kanye access to the production that they have taken 50 years to amass. In addition he should also be paid royalties for this.
Seem fair? Should it happen as he is a "creative genius"?

so in summary, you know fuck all about marketing
I'm fully aware of the pyramid system this was based on but in reality did this turn anyone ON to Nike? It lowered my opinion of them and likewise now with adidas/Y3.