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YLAup
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5004 posts since 5/9/11

23 May 2017 22:07
I particularly liked it when someone interviewing Caroline Lucas totted it up and it came to something ridiculous like a loss of 2 billion to the UK economy every week.
EssexBoyII
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6287 posts since 5/6/07

24 May 2017 07:58
Fucking hate the Greens. The fact that we have such a la la land party representing the environmental angle means the other parties can effectively ignore environmental issues
Superprecise
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2017 posts since 16/7/11

posted 24 May 2017 08:37, edited 24 May 2017 08:37
EssexBoyII wrote: I find it comical how people are saying 'well Brexit happened, Trump got in so why not Corbyn? He's an underdog' ignoring the overall shift to the right is the complete opposite of Corbyn winning the election

Exactly right.

Seems to me that the whole 'populist' (is this just a euphemism for ignorant and proud?) is about two overlapping things: globalisation not working out great for everyone, especially smaller communities who are out of the loop, and the failure of liberal people to have an honest conversation about subjects they find distasteful, such as immigration and jihadism.
joeyjojo
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3861 posts since 24/8/06

24 May 2017 08:52
They would shore up funds by abolishing the welfare system, bar for the sick and unable to work. Likewise, close the tax loopholes, no cash for Trident etc. You'd be surprised how much this would save us! so 2 billion a week is either made up by you or whoever you were watching Laughing out loud
joeyjojo
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3861 posts since 24/8/06

24 May 2017 08:54
EssexBoyII wrote: Fucking hate the Greens. The fact that we have such a la la land party representing the environmental angle means the other parties can effectively ignore environmental issues

This doesnt make sense? surely them gaining more exposure would bring environmental issues in the forefront of things we should be looking into or ?
also did you not see my previous message? 4 day working week and a grand a month - you could buy loads of those badges for that - whats to hate ?
Superprecise
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posted 24 May 2017 09:06, edited 24 May 2017 09:06
It does make sense. Conflating important issues such as climate change with other policies that many find unrealistic or daft does not do much for the credibility of their raison d'etre. Climate change should not be left to the wacky Greens.

That's not really how I see it FWIW, but I bet many would and I can understand that. I think the Greens have done a really good job in recent years. I haven't paid any attention to their manifesto yet though.
gaffer
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492 posts since 13/4/05

24 May 2017 09:16

They need to rebrand. The credibility of their policies is sometimes undermined because there is this portrayal of them as being loony eco-warriors
TIMDOT
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862 posts since 6/8/14

24 May 2017 12:46
Explaining recent political events by saying people are stupid or right wingers is the exact same fucking thing as twitter liberals spout. It's an anti-establishment feeling that cuts through all layers of society.
The shift in where people are now getting there information from and the traditional forms of media's response to this is a big part in driving this.
EssexBoyII
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6287 posts since 5/6/07

posted 24 May 2017 12:57, edited 24 May 2017 12:57
joeyjojo wrote:
EssexBoyII wrote: Fucking hate the Greens. The fact that we have such a la la land party representing the environmental angle means the other parties can effectively ignore environmental issues

This doesnt make sense? surely them gaining more exposure would bring environmental issues in the forefront of things we should be looking into or ?
also did you not see my previous message? 4 day working week and a grand a month - you could buy loads of those badges for that - whats to hate ?

Who said they're gaining more exposure?
They are entirely unelectable - therefore major parties don't need to put in much effort to win green votes because the alternative is a non-entity.
Theyre a fraud party anyway. Anyone who claims to be green but doesn't endorse the idea of population reduction is a joke.
TIMDOT
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862 posts since 6/8/14

24 May 2017 12:58

I love America Cry
YLAup
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5004 posts since 5/9/11

28 May 2017 12:46
Imagine Diane Abbott as Home SecretaryLaughing out loud
YLAup
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posted 29 May 2017 16:42, edited 29 May 2017 16:42
http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com
Brad
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5019 posts since 20/6/01

29 May 2017 17:24
Stupid daily mail type website. Link changed Eye-wink
YLAup
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5004 posts since 5/9/11

29 May 2017 17:29
Hah, touche
Dee
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10969 posts since 22/11/07

29 May 2017 17:30
Laughing out loud
Razorlight123
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4305 posts since 13/1/10

31 May 2017 20:18
Tim Farron sent shots with that closing statement

stoney
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17271 posts since 22/1/05

6 Jun 2017 19:32
Are all you corbinistas happy with Diane Abbot as home Sec ?! Im torn from leaving the tories to vote lib dem, don't like Farron though, although our local last Lib dem MP was good. Not sure if they have the balls to deal with national security though.
joeyjojo
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3861 posts since 24/8/06

6 Jun 2017 20:23
Living in Hackney and working in Islington has given me false hope about Thurs as all you see are Vote Labour signs everywhere

Still unless you're landed gentry or earn about 500k a year you'd have to the stupidest person in the world to vote Tory
swede
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7540 posts since 21/3/09

posted 6 Jun 2017 20:38, edited 6 Jun 2017 20:38
stoney wrote: Im torn from leaving the tories

joeyjojo wrote: Still unless you're landed gentry or earn about 500k a year you'd have to the stupidest person in the world to vote Tory

MerciBeau
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4323 posts since 7/7/06

6 Jun 2017 22:09
joeyjojo wrote: Living in Hackney and working in Islington has given me false hope about Thurs as all you see are Vote Labour signs everywhere

Still unless you're landed gentry or earn about 500k a year you'd have to the stupidest person in the world to vote Tory

Not Voting Tory, but Corbyn just has to go, we need to go back to good old third-way, centrist, progressive, Blairite new labour. Hopefully losing the election means we can get a decent party leader again, and get rid of all the naive momentum supporters.