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RickRude
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3255 posts since 13/1/12

posted 22 Nov 2018 17:12, edited 22 Nov 2018 17:12
virtue signalling again Rez - you are mental - my issue was with the use of the word Fact.

Again your just throwing around accusations - I’ll leave you to discuss with Mil.

I was asking Figurine anyway - so thanks for your 50p
Rez
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7925 posts since 5/4/09

22 Nov 2018 17:17
What is your opinion on the matter though?
RickRude
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3255 posts since 13/1/12

posted 22 Nov 2018 17:20, edited 22 Nov 2018 17:20
Rez wrote: Edit - can't be bothered interrogating this sentence any more, just think people should come out and say their beliefs tbh rather than be coy

I think you are confused - you are asking what is wrong with questioning sexuality in the classroom - yet the school itself states it don’t question it.

And you are attacking me?

I’m confused what you are arguing.
RickRude
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3255 posts since 13/1/12

22 Nov 2018 17:20
Rez wrote: What is your opinion on the matter though?

Irrelevant - I asked Figurine a question / he has answered it. thanks Figurine
Rez
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7925 posts since 5/4/09

22 Nov 2018 17:33
RickRude wrote:
Rez wrote: Edit - can't be bothered interrogating this sentence any more, just think people should come out and say their beliefs tbh rather than be coy

I think you are confused - you are saying there is nothing wrong with questioning sexuality in the classroom - yet the school itself states it don’t question it.

And you are attacking me?

I’m confused what you are arguing.

I didn't say that though…I said new knowledge about gender/sexuality might make them question their own gender and sexuality - but that would be their own thoughts and their own decisions based off the learning - not enforced by the teachers.

The school doesn't encourage them to question their sexuality.

But if, by being taught about something, kids arrive at their own conclusions to things they otherwise wouldn't if it wasn't taught - that's positive, right?

Conflating these two different things is a bit lazy I think, and plays into MLIs and others anti-lgbt bigotry.

RickRude
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3255 posts since 13/1/12

22 Nov 2018 17:41
That whole sentence you have written is a contradiction and again you are confusing me. You are virtue signalling and using your argument without being objective.

I repeat - the use of the word “fact” which Figurine quoted bothered me - I have no problem with teaching equality or acceptance of LGBT or providing safe spaces for those who are at risk.
Rez
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22 Nov 2018 17:45
Roll Eyes Laughing out loud well bored of this, can't believe that this is all about the use of the word 'fact'…
RickRude
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posted 22 Nov 2018 17:47, edited 22 Nov 2018 17:47
Fact: Nothing about the Safe Schools program encourages students to question or change their gender or sexuality.

RickRude wrote: surely by promoting gender theories that are controversial it encourages people to question their sexuality and gender more?
Rez wrote: What would be wrong with that

RickRude wrote: I think you are confused - you are asking what is wrong with questioning sexuality in the classroom - yet the school itself states it don’t question it.

And you are attacking me?

I’m confused what you are arguing.

Rez wrote: I didn't say that though
RickRude
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posted 22 Nov 2018 17:49, edited 22 Nov 2018 17:49
yeah it must be boring being confused then attacking me - anyway I asked Figurine the question mate, thanks for all the libel comments and telling me how my mind works then deleting it - that straw man has now turned into a wicker man - lets set it on fire and forget i asked
Rez
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7925 posts since 5/4/09

22 Nov 2018 18:16
Laughing out loud
JustinCredible
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2443 posts since 11/6/08

22 Nov 2018 21:35
You did go full triggered Rez Laughing out loud Let's all kiss and make up.

Rez
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7925 posts since 5/4/09

23 Nov 2018 08:37
Fair enough! Let's move on.

Wondering what Tory voters on here think of this report

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/06/un-declares-uk-s-austerity-policies-breach-international-human-rights

PDF of report here

https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Poverty/EOM_GB_16Nov2018.pdf&ved;=2ahUKEwjCjoXAjureAhVKp4sKHSiJAbg4ChAWMAF6BAgIEAE&usg;=AOvVaw0MeVYIKmzbfdBbwzHlJ0rb
MLI
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4277 posts since 6/10/09

posted 23 Nov 2018 12:06, edited 23 Nov 2018 12:06
Kids are easily manipulated. By "educating" them about the so called rainbow of human existence you're going to get kids who are confused committing to sex change drugs and operations and then regretting it later.

Sorry but it's just wrong to Tell little kids that chopping off your own dick and taking drugs to grow breasts or having a wang sewn on is perfectly normal. It's the wrong choice for 99.9999% of people. Why are teachers in aus told to say it's normal? It's normalising extremely abnormal behaviour in those who are too young to actually make a decision before they even know how life is going to work out.

It's like saying to kids, "hey it's wrong to discriminate against facial tatoos and the state supports your right to get a facial tattoo. Do you think facial tattoos are cool? Why not get one? It's your right as an individual. "
figurine
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posted 23 Nov 2018 19:13, edited 23 Nov 2018 19:13
MLI wrote: Kids are easily manipulated. By "educating" them about the so called rainbow of human existence you're going to get kids who are confused committing to sex change drugs and operations and then regretting it later.

In UK no permanent treatment is given to trans youth, it's reserved for adults.
MLI
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24 Nov 2018 06:48
figurine wrote:
MLI wrote: Kids are easily manipulated. By "educating" them about the so called rainbow of human existence you're going to get kids who are confused committing to sex change drugs and operations and then regretting it later.

In UK no treatment is given to trans youth, it's reserved for adults.

yeah, 18. When I was 18 I was a fucking idiot who made dumb choices. Think of a school system that sets up vulnerable kids, and "grooms" them to normalise making yourself into a freakshow.

I've heard of kids who are already taking the drugs at 15 or 16 and get the operation done on their 18th birthday.

You think this is healthy or smart or progressive? You're fucking retarded.
figurine
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24 Nov 2018 08:51
MLI wrote:
figurine wrote:
MLI wrote: Kids are easily manipulated. By "educating" them about the so called rainbow of human existence you're going to get kids who are confused committing to sex change drugs and operations and then regretting it later.

In UK no treatment is given to trans youth, it's reserved for adults.

yeah, 18. When I was 18 I was a fucking idiot who made dumb choices. Think of a school system that sets up vulnerable kids, and "grooms" them to normalise making yourself into a freakshow.

I've heard of kids who are already taking the drugs at 15 or 16 and get the operation done on their 18th birthday.

You think this is healthy or smart or progressive? You're fucking retarded.

You're 50 now and the same is still true.
TIMDOT
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27 Nov 2018 11:18
EssexBoyII
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6355 posts since 5/6/07

27 Nov 2018 17:51
I think it’s too early to teach kids about transsexuality. Kids minds are like sponges and so easily nudged in one way or the other based on an immature brain drugged up on hormones and emotion and not on rational thought. If someone is 18 plus and wants a sex change, I’m all for it and couldn’t care less
RickRude
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3255 posts since 13/1/12

posted 27 Nov 2018 20:41, edited 27 Nov 2018 20:41
figurine wrote:
MLI wrote: Kids are easily manipulated. By "educating" them about the so called rainbow of human existence you're going to get kids who are confused committing to sex change drugs and operations and then regretting it later.

In UK no treatment is given to trans youth, it's reserved for adults.

Treatment is given to trans youth

“To date GIDS has treated 800 children with puberty blockers, with about 230 of these children under the age of 14, the youngest child being 10 years old. The earliest these drugs can be used is at Tanner stage 2 of puberty.”

Also @Rez

That school in Brighton, that now has 76 gender fluid children - what do you make of that?
figurine
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5634 posts since 14/5/07

27 Nov 2018 21:23
Puberty blockers are therapy not treatment, they're reversible. Mil was also talking about sex change drugs and operations, puberty blockers are neither of these.