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quest
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3267 posts since 11/7/11

17 Jun 2019 10:24
if trump said barry chuckle should be the new PM, mil would be agreeing, not worth the effort of explaining to this bafoon
sodomgomorra
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1364 posts since 24/3/14

17 Jun 2019 20:20
swede wrote: such a stupid idea to have a referendum. you just cannot trust the public with these sort of decisions

It's like we've learned nothing from that time those orcs won the song festival.
swede
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8132 posts since 21/3/09

17 Jun 2019 21:17
Laughing out loud
MLI
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4497 posts since 6/10/09

18 Jun 2019 20:42
swiftus wrote:
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MLI wrote: Johnson should've been the man from the start. He's the man that's finally going to carry out the will of the majority of British people Cool

The sneering elites that usually get to tell the people what's best for them have shown everyone through this how they hate actual democracy. I love it.

Can normally put up with your 'kookiness' but what qualifies you to have an educated opinion about British politics?

What qualifies you?

Live in the country, been living with brexit chat on a near-daily basis for the last 3 years.

Answering a question with a question makes you sound incapable or, worse, like a politician.

So, again, what makes you qualified to have an opinion?

I watch the news. Brexit is a global story. It and Trump are hopefully the start of a revolution where people worldwide stop listening to the elites.

Do you have an opinion on Trump? I hope not because you don't live in America

We're talking about the new leader of the country. This goes beyond Brexit. Do you know anything about the candidates that have put themselves up? What do you know about Jeremy Hunt and the NHS? Or Sajid Javid and his views on immigration? Tell me what research you've done on Rory Stewart and Dominic Raab. You watch the news? Well done you. So do millions of others.

Yes, I have views on Trump. But I wouldn't fool myself to think that they are more qualified than informed citizens in the US who live through his tenure everyday.

The reason the world seems more fucked up than ever is because people like you think that their (misinformed, uneducated, spurious) opinion, based on soundbites and propaganda, should be heard.

Superprecise summed it well…Dunning-Kruger.

yeah, yeah, you're more qualified to have an opinion than me because I'm conservative.

I'm actually more open minded than you will ever be.

And the world is only fucked up because of commies and socialists. Every time.
sydneyking
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4586 posts since 26/9/09

18 Jun 2019 20:53
You sound exactly like kelvin Mackenzie describes you
JustinCredible
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2534 posts since 11/6/08

23 Jul 2019 11:52
swede
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8132 posts since 21/3/09

posted 23 Jul 2019 12:03, edited 23 Jul 2019 12:03
sydneyking
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4586 posts since 26/9/09

23 Jul 2019 12:06
JustinCredible wrote:

Reminds me so much of the councillors cox and evans sketch
phelen
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6419 posts since 16/8/06

23 Jul 2019 12:31
sydneyking wrote:
JustinCredible wrote:

Reminds me so much of the councillors cox and evans sketch

Apparently staged too.
stoney
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17418 posts since 22/1/05

23 Jul 2019 20:18
How will he deliver brexit ? Parliament will block no deal and Theresa’s deal is dead. I can’t see the EU blinking much. Brexiteers, how do you see it panning out ? Election, then what
sydneyking
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4586 posts since 26/9/09

23 Jul 2019 20:44
Are there any brexiteers on here?
nothingelseworked
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3312 posts since 21/2/10

23 Jul 2019 22:02
Defo
swede
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8132 posts since 21/3/09

23 Jul 2019 22:19
sydneyking wrote: Are there any brexiteers on here?

rickrude Cool
swede
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8132 posts since 21/3/09

23 Jul 2019 22:20
but don't worry. he has never had any answers for why he voted leave.. and he won't be able to tell you how boris will deliver brexit
fudge.dredd
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856 posts since 15/12/12

posted 24 Jul 2019 16:57, edited 24 Jul 2019 16:57
Leaving on WTO terms is the default position if no deal agreed by 31st Oct.

Don’t understand what the confusion is here ?

If EU don’t budge then the law unequivocally states we leave on WTO terms, correct?

Can anyone tell me if this isn’t the case?

I’ve been in USA for the past month so no idea if anything has changed since then.

If parliament keep blocking, and we don’t extend the deadline, then don’t we automatically leave without a deal on the 31st ?

Btw, I voted to Leave.
fudge.dredd
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856 posts since 15/12/12

24 Jul 2019 17:03
From pwc website:

If no agreement on a deal can be reached by 31 October, and no further extension granted, the default position is that the UK leaves the EU without a deal. In this scenario, there would be no transition period and the numerous no deal statutory instruments will come into force, transferring EU legislation to ensure that the UK has a functioning statute book from 1 November.
nothingelseworked
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3312 posts since 21/2/10

24 Jul 2019 17:17
fudge.dredd wrote: If EU don’t budge

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themistake
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10533 posts since 20/2/06

24 Jul 2019 17:23
fudge.dredd wrote: Leaving on WTO terms is the default position if no deal agreed by 31st Oct.

Don’t understand what the confusion is here ?

If EU don’t budge then the law unequivocally states we leave on WTO terms, correct?

Can anyone tell me if this isn’t the case?

I’ve been in USA for the past month so no idea if anything has changed since then.

If parliament keep blocking, and we don’t extend the deadline, then don’t we automatically leave without a deal on the 31st ?

Btw, I voted to Leave.

Yes we would leave on WTO terms.

But you see the thing is pal, that would be really bad for the country. Like really bad. So, there’s not a chance in hell that the opposition, or a large percentage of the government will let this happen.
The only way it would happen is if Bozza suspends parliament for a period of time before October 31st so that there can’t be any movements to overthrow him from his perch.

i suspect bozza will announce he’s off to get a new deal from Brussels in the coming days. Come back empty handed, go again in 6 weeks. Not get a deal. Then he’ll try to suspend parliament. It’ll be refused. October will pass, we’ll get another extension.
Then a general election will be called.
sydneyking
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4586 posts since 26/9/09

24 Jul 2019 17:36
My understanding is that in order to trade on WTO terms the UK has to produce a schedule covering all products and services covered by the WTO and get it agreed by all WTO members. I don’t know If we have a schedule and if we have whether there’s been any objections raised? It’s probably worth noting that there’s not a single country in the world that trades solely on WTO terms.
Crackajack
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7198 posts since 21/4/05

24 Jul 2019 17:43

fudge.dredd wrote: Leaving on WTO terms is the default position if no deal agreed by 31st Oct.

Don’t understand what the confusion is here ?

If EU don’t budge then the law unequivocally states we leave on WTO terms, correct?

Can anyone tell me if this isn’t the case?

I’ve been in USA for the past month so no idea if anything has changed since then.

If parliament keep blocking, and we don’t extend the deadline, then don’t we automatically leave without a deal on the 31st ?

Btw, I voted to Leave.

Yes, the default is a no-deal Brexit.

AIUI, we have to negotiate / agree terms / tariffs (etc) under the WTO 'rule book' with the EU and all other WTO nations if we leave the EU (who we have negotiated various deals in conjunction with us, to our shared benefit) without a deal. For example, one WTO rule seems to be we can't favour one member other another.

Seems like politicians will be putting ink on paper to essentially wipe out / safeguard certain sectors or consumer goods.

Must be horrendous working for a SME that is in any way involved with import / export in their supply chain right now.