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crutch
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402 posts since 22/11/12

24 Jul 2019 17:53
If we leave on WTO terms, won’t one of the first things we have to do be to go back to the EU to negotiate a trade deal? WTO can’t be a long term solution with such a large and important trading bloc?
I just don’t understand the point!?
Crackajack
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7062 posts since 21/4/05

24 Jul 2019 18:28
I'm no expert, but the theory that was sold (not that anyone ever cared about trade/tariffs when voting) was that we will be able to negotiate a better deal with the EU and others alone than as a leading and influential member of a huge economic bloc, but this is of course complete fantasy.

The practice is that trade deals will be struck to benefit preferred business areas / sectors in the interests of lobbying (NHS / social care access) or votes (like keeping fishing propped up when it's a fraction of other sectors), from a massively weakened position just to keep essentials affordable.
fudge.dredd
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554 posts since 15/12/12

posted 24 Jul 2019 18:42, edited 24 Jul 2019 18:42
Well a no deal exit looks more and more likely with the team Al is putting together.

And I wasn’t acting stupid in my initial question, it was just all the posts saying how impossible it is to leave without a deal when it’s actually very likely and very easy as it’s the default option if nothing agreed.

I don’t think there’ll be another deadline extension and I don’t think the EU will budge from their awful ‘deal’ they put forward to May.

Seems like we are heading for a no deal exit and I look forward to it.
fudge.dredd
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554 posts since 15/12/12

24 Jul 2019 18:45
themistake wrote:
fudge.dredd wrote: Leaving on WTO terms is the default position if no deal agreed by 31st Oct.

Don’t understand what the confusion is here ?

If EU don’t budge then the law unequivocally states we leave on WTO terms, correct?

Can anyone tell me if this isn’t the case?

I’ve been in USA for the past month so no idea if anything has changed since then.

If parliament keep blocking, and we don’t extend the deadline, then don’t we automatically leave without a deal on the 31st ?

Btw, I voted to Leave.

Yes we would leave on WTO terms.

But you see the thing is pal, that would be really bad for the country. Like really bad. So, there’s not a chance in hell that the opposition, or a large percentage of the government will let this happen.
The only way it would happen is if Bozza suspends parliament for a period of time before October 31st so that there can’t be any movements to overthrow him from his perch.

i suspect bozza will announce he’s off to get a new deal from Brussels in the coming days. Come back empty handed, go again in 6 weeks. Not get a deal. Then he’ll try to suspend parliament. It’ll be refused. October will pass, we’ll get another extension.
Then a general election will be called.

Ok and assuming an election is called and Al defeats the communist, hezbollah-loving antisemites……. then what?
Crackajack
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7062 posts since 21/4/05

24 Jul 2019 18:59
fudge.dredd wrote: Well a no deal exit looks more and more likely with the team Al is putting together.

And I wasn’t acting stupid in my initial question, it was just all the posts saying how impossible it is to leave without a deal when it’s actually very likely and very easy as it’s the default option if nothing agreed.

I don’t think there’ll be another deadline extension and I don’t think the EU will budge from their awful ‘deal’ they put forward to May.

Seems like we are heading for a no deal exit and I look forward to it.

Presumably you see some benefits of a no deal exit then (taking this to mean we don't do 'micro deals', as the EU has stated). Would you care to share some?
sydneyking
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4517 posts since 26/9/09

24 Jul 2019 19:01
fudge.dredd wrote: Seems like we are heading for a no deal exit and I look forward to it.

Why? How will it benefit you?
-DiscoTits-
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689 posts since 26/11/07

24 Jul 2019 19:21
Can't wait for Scotland to go off on it's own merry way and get shot of this right wing monstrosity government that BoJo has been appointing throughout the day.

Yes there will be challenges but I look forward to being an independent country in charge of our own affairs and trying to emulate the successes of other similar sized nations such as Norway, Finland and Denmark.
Rez
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7936 posts since 5/4/09

24 Jul 2019 19:30
sydneyking wrote:
fudge.dredd wrote: Seems like we are heading for a no deal exit and I look forward to it.

Why? How will it benefit you?

lol wasn't it fudge who was posting his big ol' bank balance.

Disaster capitalism isn't it. 130,000 unnecessary deaths already linked to austerity. What's a few more when there's some cash to be made!
figurine
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5669 posts since 14/5/07

24 Jul 2019 19:41
How does WTO solve the Irish border fudge?
fudge.dredd
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554 posts since 15/12/12

24 Jul 2019 19:43
Irish border is a red herring
fudge.dredd
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554 posts since 15/12/12

24 Jul 2019 19:44
And I think a lot more people would die of ‘austerity’ (another Pavlovian term) under the socialism that Labour are proposing
sydneyking
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4517 posts since 26/9/09

24 Jul 2019 19:47
Why? Give us some detail
fudge.dredd
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554 posts since 15/12/12

24 Jul 2019 19:58
I don’t know about you guys, but I just don’t have an affinity with destroying nation states and having to bow to all the pomp and ceremony of a cabal running most of Europe.

Look at the amount of wars and conflicts the European countries have got themselves in and the dictators and overthrowing of governments etc. Europe is a powder keg and it will soon erupt and the sooner we are out of the Union and build up our army again, the better.

Rez
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7936 posts since 5/4/09

posted 24 Jul 2019 20:03, edited 24 Jul 2019 20:03
fudge.dredd wrote: And I think a lot more people would die of ‘austerity’ (another Pavlovian term) under the socialism that Labour are proposing

Sounds like someone's been insulated and isolated from anything that's been happening to people in the UK for the last few years!

Rez
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7936 posts since 5/4/09

24 Jul 2019 20:06
'nation states'…'powder kegs'….'build up our army'…



Just say what you really mean mate!
figurine
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5669 posts since 14/5/07

24 Jul 2019 20:12
fudge.dredd wrote: Irish border is a red herring
Definitely isn't, but thanks for the detailed response.
Dee
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11142 posts since 22/11/07

24 Jul 2019 20:16
Out of interest why isn't it?
figurine
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5669 posts since 14/5/07

24 Jul 2019 20:30
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47786455
JustinCredible
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2456 posts since 11/6/08

24 Jul 2019 20:41
fudge 100% trolling
MLI
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4360 posts since 6/10/09

24 Jul 2019 21:02
Agree with everything Fudge Dredd says. Why do you need Europe? Europe sucks.