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fudge.dredd
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551 posts since 15/12/12

posted 8 Aug 2019 12:08, edited 8 Aug 2019 12:08
Rez wrote: Always wondered how the anti immigrant/muslim lot feel when they see their politics mirrored in a shooter's manifesto like the one doing the rounds right now.

Does it make you think twice about where this type of thinking leads to?

Or do you just rationalise it as a lone nutter etc.

He was also an eco warrior too so let’s blame Thurnberg etc also for telling the world its coming to an end soon.

Also the second shooter was a certified Leftist. But let’s ignore that eh.

This tweet said it all:


Benny
@bennyjohnson
·
7 Aug
If you did not blame:

- Bernie for the Congressional Shooting
- Liz Warren for the Dayton Shooting
- Islam for the Pulse Nightclub, Chattanooga, San Bernardino, Ft Hood shooting
- Obama for Sandy Hook

But you totally blame Trump for El Paso - you are a hypocritical hack.

STOP!
figurine
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5665 posts since 14/5/07

8 Aug 2019 12:19
fudge.dredd wrote: - Obama for Sandy Hook
Did Obama often criticise pre school kids in his speeches?
joeyjojo
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3925 posts since 24/8/06

8 Aug 2019 13:01
Yeah keen to understand that one further?
nothingelseworked
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3215 posts since 21/2/10

8 Aug 2019 13:19
If I've understood his post correctly, the shooters must've been left-leaning or something? He's saying if we blame Trump for right-leaning shooters then left politicians should be blamed for left-leaning shooters.

figurine
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5665 posts since 14/5/07

8 Aug 2019 14:34
But Trump uses rhetoric that demonises Hispanics, the target of the El Paso shooting. Adam Lanza wasn't a left leaning shooter either.
Rez
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7935 posts since 5/4/09

posted 8 Aug 2019 14:43, edited 8 Aug 2019 14:43
Fudge why are you deflecting with the second shooting? Pretty sure it didn't have a manifesto or any stated political aim.

The first one did, and fits a pattern of stochastic terrorism from the far right.

Also eco fascism is still fascism, come on.

You know full well the shooter used the same rhetoric that's common on the far right.
illwill
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3535 posts since 17/5/04

8 Aug 2019 15:55
Such a terrible argument Laughing out loud

Quoting some twitter mouthpiece says it all
Rez
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7935 posts since 5/4/09

8 Aug 2019 16:04
he's got a major case of the boomer brain
andymakesglasses
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posted 8 Aug 2019 16:05, edited 8 Aug 2019 16:05
illwill wrote: Quoting some right-wing twitter plagiarist nutjob says it all

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson
fudge.dredd
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551 posts since 15/12/12

posted 8 Aug 2019 20:11, edited 8 Aug 2019 20:11
Connor Betts, the Dayton, Ohio mass shooter, was a self-described “leftist,” who wrote that he would happily vote for Democrat Elizabeth Warren, praised Satan, was upset about the 2016 presidential election results, and added, “I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding.”

Betts’ Twitter profile read, “he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / i’m going to hell and i’m not coming back.” One tweet on his page read, “Off to Midnight Mass. At least the songs are good. #athiestsonchristmas.” The page handle? I am the spookster. On one selfie, he included the hashtags, “#selfie4satan #HailSatan @SatanTweeting.”


I am not deflecting.
MLI
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4348 posts since 6/10/09

8 Aug 2019 20:44
The El Paso shooter was a registered Democrat but his details on facebook were changed after the shooting to republican. Google the screen shots.
figurine
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5665 posts since 14/5/07

8 Aug 2019 21:33
MLI wrote: The El Paso shooter was a registered Democrat but his details on facebook were changed after the shooting to republican. Google the screen shots.

I tried but I need to make holes in my tin foil hat first to be able to see.
figurine
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5665 posts since 14/5/07

8 Aug 2019 21:34
figurine wrote:
fudge.dredd wrote: - Obama for Sandy Hook
Did Obama often criticise pre school kids in his speeches?
Not deflecting fudge, but you completely ignored this.
Rez
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7935 posts since 5/4/09

posted 8 Aug 2019 22:45, edited 8 Aug 2019 22:45
fudge.dredd wrote: Connor Betts, the Dayton, Ohio mass shooter, was a self-described “leftist,” who wrote that he would happily vote for Democrat Elizabeth Warren, praised Satan, was upset about the 2016 presidential election results, and added, “I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding.”

Betts’ Twitter profile read, “he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / i’m going to hell and i’m not coming back.” One tweet on his page read, “Off to Midnight Mass. At least the songs are good. #athiestsonchristmas.” The page handle? I am the spookster. On one selfie, he included the hashtags, “#selfie4satan #HailSatan @SatanTweeting.”


I am not deflecting.

Did he have a manifesto that outlined why he did the shooting like the el paso guy.

This atheist/satanic panic shit is boomerism 101. Would you like to buy a reverse mortgage from me.
Rez
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7935 posts since 5/4/09

posted 8 Aug 2019 22:56, edited 8 Aug 2019 22:56
Also of course youre fucking deflecting.

I ask whether a guy who drove eight hours to kill brown people for a specific political purpose, who cites similar rhetoric that you do, makes you think twice about your anti immigrant views.

Instead you talk about a shooter that killed his sister, her bf and anyone else at the scene, for some reason that no-one's clear on yet, and equate the two to make a point, as if they're equal?

You're equating an actual terrorist manifesto with twitter and social media faves?

Surely you must realise you're a bit too far gone this internet hole.

Dont you think this is a bit weird and disingenuous?

Bad faith childish bullshit imo.

MLI
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4348 posts since 6/10/09

9 Aug 2019 06:10
figurine wrote:
MLI wrote: The El Paso shooter was a registered Democrat but his details on facebook were changed after the shooting to republican. Google the screen shots.

I tried but I need to make holes in my tin foil hat first to be able to see.

Infowars is real. The tin foil hat dismissal thing is over because it's all fucken real now
figurine
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5665 posts since 14/5/07

9 Aug 2019 06:58
MLI wrote:
figurine wrote:
MLI wrote: The El Paso shooter was a registered Democrat but his details on facebook were changed after the shooting to republican. Google the screen shots.

I tried but I need to make holes in my tin foil hat first to be able to see.

Infowars is real. The tin foil hat dismissal thing is over because it's all fucken real now
Infowars is pure tinfoil hat bullshit, Alex Jones is a racist nutter who has been sued multiple times for bullshitting.
Dee
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11137 posts since 22/11/07

9 Aug 2019 07:12
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/has-anyone-actually-read-the-el-paso-manifesto
sydneyking
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4515 posts since 26/9/09

9 Aug 2019 07:33
Although you can’t claim with certainty that Trumps words have been responsible for the actions of white supremacist shooters, the bigger problem is that you can’t claim with any confidence that they haven’t.
Dee
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11137 posts since 22/11/07

9 Aug 2019 07:57
moot point then?