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Dee
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11190 posts since 22/11/07

10 Aug 2019 17:28
Including Obama.
fudge.dredd
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671 posts since 15/12/12

10 Aug 2019 17:36
Oh and the FBI agent that was investigating the Clinton Foundation shot himself dead recently too.

https://thewashingtonpundit.com/2019/07/24/top-fbi-agent-investigated-clinton-foundation-commits-public-suicide-at-dance-club/

Dead men tell no tales eh.
morning mist
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3130 posts since 29/5/05

10 Aug 2019 17:47
Dee wrote: No surprise, CNN and the WP are fucking terrible. MSM are doing more to divide people than any politician.

If you want to look at the bad things POTUS have done then there's a massive list, quite a bit worse than above for just about everyone thats held that position since you've drawn breath.

He has no fucking right trying to silence them for any reason you imbecile.

And that goes for any president, democrat or republican.
morning mist
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3130 posts since 29/5/05

10 Aug 2019 17:49
and when will you all stop using the 'but Obama…'-argument to try and rationalize Trumps actions.
Dee
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11190 posts since 22/11/07

posted 10 Aug 2019 18:11, edited 10 Aug 2019 18:11
Youre a bit knee jerky, I didn't say "but Obama" anything to rationalize anything. I stated they've all done seriously bad things, including Obama.

I'll refrain from stooping to your level but do note it takes 10 minutes of research, avoiding the press, to debunk the crap you posted about hate crime and it being the blame of Trumps rhetoric.
morning mist
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3130 posts since 29/5/05

10 Aug 2019 18:13
No, show it, that is the entire POINT of having a discussion is it not? If im wrong i want to know it
morning mist
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3130 posts since 29/5/05

10 Aug 2019 18:22
Dee wrote: Youre a bit knee jerky, I didn't say "but Obama" anything to rationalize anything. I stated they've all done seriously bad things, including Obama.

So what was the point of saying they have all done seriously bad things if not to rationalize the actions of Trump?

Dee
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11190 posts since 22/11/07

10 Aug 2019 18:24
Google: FBI figures for hate crime since 1990. There are several reports, note the stats and the spikes of every election, terrorist event etc, the steady rise and compare against the same steady rise for the UK. Think about the various drivers about what's causing those. Don't read any shit from the guardian, dm, WP or any other rag which will have a bias one way or the other.

I did it last night, thought about posting for a mo but I'm on my Jollies and couldn't be arsed to get into an argument. If people are going to digest the shite from MSM without ever questioning things or taking the time to look into things that cause concern then don't be upset and lower the tone when other people hold a different view.
Dee
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11190 posts since 22/11/07

10 Aug 2019 18:31
morning mist wrote:
Dee wrote: Youre a bit knee jerky, I didn't say "but Obama" anything to rationalize anything. I stated they've all done seriously bad things, including Obama.

So what was the point of saying they have all done seriously bad things if not to rationalize the actions of Trump?

Wasn't rationalizing anything Trump has done other than suggesting to get a grip on the bad things they've all done, take a balanced view that they've all fucked people over, murdered 1000s of innocent people and generally have been massive twats in some form or other as the current potus.
morning mist
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3130 posts since 29/5/05

10 Aug 2019 18:44
Ok, not very relevant tho since we are talking about Trump ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
morning mist
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3130 posts since 29/5/05

posted 10 Aug 2019 19:04, edited 10 Aug 2019 19:04
Dee wrote: Google: FBI figures for hate crime since 1990. There are several reports, note the stats and the spikes of every election, terrorist event etc, the steady rise and compare against the same steady rise for the UK. Think about the various drivers about what's causing those. Don't read any shit from the guardian, dm, WP or any other rag which will have a bias one way or the other.

I did it last night, thought about posting for a mo but I'm on my Jollies and couldn't be arsed to get into an argument. If people are going to digest the shite from MSM without ever questioning things or taking the time to look into things that cause concern then don't be upset and lower the tone when other people hold a different view.

This essay is my source: https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=218125068102114126122084027095102010103082061020005063086101084127013127113100112078123118100120050104112112075084127017004105020059005039077088122107096127078081111026009024115126091005002077023092117067099021072113000127083064020072122104004021098064&EXT;=pdf

They use statistics from FBI's hate crime report up to 2017.

FBI's report for 2018 will be released in september. CSHE report that hate crime increased for the fifth consecutive year in 2018 and has continued to rise so far in 2019. Should be interesting to see if they match FBI's statistics.

gonzoking
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770 posts since 13/3/11

10 Aug 2019 19:45
MLI wrote:
menace wrote:
MLI wrote:
menace wrote: being a race traitor - very Cool

So you admit you've actually totally fallen for the propoganda of identity politics?
please do enlighten us. There is truly nothing in this world as valuable as a 40 year old white Australian's views on race and identity

You see and label others only through the lense of race, gender and sexuality rather than respecting them as individuals, which is what everyone is in reality of course, individuals with different thoughts, experiences and motivations, often not influenced by their race, gender or sexuality, but by their varied
life circumstances and experiences. You can't even see that simple fact because you've been so effectively brainwashed by the modern globalist leftist movement. You're probably a minority and have been indoctrinated to have a constant chip on your shoulder about it to. It all feeds into their Marxist plan. Your masters thank you.
Agree
gonzoking
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770 posts since 13/3/11

10 Aug 2019 19:48
fudge.dredd wrote:
menace wrote: being a race traitor - very Cool

Wow at this comment.

Let me guess, you don’t want black faces that don’t have a black voice, etc.

Go shove a Guardian paper up your ass.

Agree with Fudge Dredd, Menace you are a fucking racist for saying this you idiot, non white people are only allowed to think like you think, listen to yourself!
gonzoking
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770 posts since 13/3/11

10 Aug 2019 20:05
morning mist wrote:
sydneyking wrote: Although you can’t claim with certainty that Trumps words have been responsible for the actions of white supremacist shooters, the bigger problem is that you can’t claim with any confidence that they haven’t.

Trumps words have impact.

Before Trumps use of the term "fake news" in the election there was 238 articles published about "fake news" in August 2016, by October the number was 19,000.

Leading up and following Trumps election there was the highest recorded amount of hate crime in American history only topped by 9/11.

Trump is a hatemonger of historic proportions.

Dude snopes is fucking fake news, the guy left his wife for a prostitute, the site cannot be trusted at all.
morning mist
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3130 posts since 29/5/05

10 Aug 2019 20:19
gonzoking wrote:
morning mist wrote:
sydneyking wrote: Although you can’t claim with certainty that Trumps words have been responsible for the actions of white supremacist shooters, the bigger problem is that you can’t claim with any confidence that they haven’t.

Trumps words have impact.

Before Trumps use of the term "fake news" in the election there was 238 articles published about "fake news" in August 2016, by October the number was 19,000.

Leading up and following Trumps election there was the highest recorded amount of hate crime in American history only topped by 9/11.

Trump is a hatemonger of historic proportions.

Dude snopes is fucking fake news, the guy left his wife for a prostitute, the site cannot be trusted at all.

Duuuude…………ad hominem
MLI
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4404 posts since 6/10/09

posted 11 Aug 2019 00:11, edited 11 Aug 2019 00:11
sydneyking wrote: Give us examples of the silencing of “wrong think”? what constitutes “wrong think”? Again give us examples of lines of thought that are being silenced.

Most English speaking people get their news from two sources now: Google and Facebook. Both of these organisations have agendas against Trump and conservatives. They filter results to minimise conservative views, they deplatform people who's opinions they don't like. People have been banned from facebook for even making a post like "I love Alex Jones". The more they do this the less conservative views the average person sees and left wing PC views become the mainstream by sabotage and the silencing of those with strong voices on the other side. Not just Jones but hundreds of others. Meanwhile left wing extremists are allowed to carry on and voice their opinions on all the services Google and Facebook control.

Easy example (There are millions more). Black supremecist Louis Farakhan who has outright told his supporters to go out and murder white people is not banned on Twitter but Alex Jones who isn't a racist, has never said anything racist or ever told anyone to kill is believed to be a racist by nearly everybody and is banned from Twitter (most believe for racism) due to the selective filtering of news. He's also banned from facebook, itunes and twitter. He is trying to operate off his own servers now giving him a massive disadvantage to everyone else with a voice who can use the mainstream platforms freely.

So in short "Wrong think" is being silenced by deleting it from your twitter and facebook feeds, from your google searches and from anywhere else they can. Then you think that the left wing view predominates and you question your own conservative views and mainstream conservatives are more and more marginalised and told their ideas are extreme and dangerous whereas they're actually the feelings of roughly half the population and not extreme or dangerous at all, they're just not social justice warriors who believe the white man is responsible for everything wrong, and that's not acceptable to our shadow masters.
MLI
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4404 posts since 6/10/09

11 Aug 2019 07:13
Dee wrote:
morning mist wrote:
Dee wrote: Youre a bit knee jerky, I didn't say "but Obama" anything to rationalize anything. I stated they've all done seriously bad things, including Obama.

So what was the point of saying they have all done seriously bad things if not to rationalize the actions of Trump?

Wasn't rationalizing anything Trump has done other than suggesting to get a grip on the bad things they've all done, take a balanced view that they've all fucked people over, murdered 1000s of innocent people and generally have been massive twats in some form or other as the current potus.

Well if you want to look at Body count Trump has probably the lowest of any US president so far. He could have wiped the floor with Iran the other day like Reagan did in Preying Mantis '88. Trump said the lives it would take weren't worth it for a drone.

He's trying to extracate as many US troops from harms way as possible. He figures why should America do the world's killing? Step up and kill for yourself pussies. Fight for your own damn freedom for a change.
sydneyking
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4532 posts since 26/9/09

posted 11 Aug 2019 07:28, edited 11 Aug 2019 07:28
I’ve literally heard it all. How did you come across Alex Jones? Was it via google, twitter or Facebook by chance? If so they’re not doing a particularly good job of silencing him. Maybe you’ve logged on to one of the many websites he runs? One of the ones accessed my millions of people everyday? Or maybe you’ve listened to his radio show which is broadcast over millions of airwaves? Or maybe you’ve watched one of his many videos on YouTube?

Mainstream media is governed by rules, laws, procedures etc. You seemingly prefer to trust information which comes from ungoverned sources. As you point out most people derive their information from a now internet driven landscape this coupled with a growing ignorance of issues makes it easier for people like trump and Alex Jones to play to peoples fears and concerns. Whilst also amping up efforts to discredit “main stream” media as “fake news”.

Social media algorithms give people “news” which is popular and trending as opposed to accurate or important. This helps promote conspiracy theories. Websites like reddit are used as sounding boards. Diluting extremist views as gateway ideas to court a wider audience (predominantly young men). It’s a short leap from rejecting political correctness to denying climate change and blaming women, Muslims, immigrants, the media etc for people’s problems.

Orwell wrote “political chaos is connected with the decay of language” trump and Alex Jones use language to disseminate distrust and discord. Without commonly agreed upon facts there can be no rational debate and democracy is hobbled.

Superprecise
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2065 posts since 16/7/11

11 Aug 2019 08:55
The stupidity of people willing to believe that Trump is anything other than a self-aggrandising, amoral charlatan is astounding. Aside from his obvious race-baiting and gaslighting, both of which are dangerous whether or not he himself is a bigot, the man is simply an empty vessel with absolutely nothing of worth to say. He is credited with a booming economy but his actual policies therein are nonsensical. How can you listen to his never-ending torrent of bullshit and think 'that's my guy'?! Ridiculous. I can only understand his popularity in terms of a lot of people wanting to give the neoliberal establishment a kicking, their heads full of poison from the likes of Alex Jones, Fox News, the Daily Mail etc etc.
Rez
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7951 posts since 5/4/09

11 Aug 2019 09:34
Didnt alex jones get banned from those platforns for harassing the sandy hook families? Do you think that behaviour is okay Mil?

Also going on about a shadowy marxist plan/cultural marxism has been an extreme right wing position since the nazis (cultural bolshevism), with obvious antisemitic roots - i'd be careful dabbling in it!

What i find really interesting as someone who is on the left is how the right wingers on here expect us to defend the records of the clintons/obama. Neolibs ≠ left. To see them as the left shows how far down the rabbit hole of extreme far right wing nationalism youve gone!