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MLI
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4346 posts since 6/10/09

posted 11 Aug 2019 10:55, edited 11 Aug 2019 10:55
ooh shit I've really kicked the lefty hornets nest here. the hysterical left rhetoric is off the charts! Laughing out loud
Rez
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7935 posts since 5/4/09

11 Aug 2019 11:04
Cant be bothered to answer that question about sandy hook then.

Do you think its a false flag 'crisis actor' event like jones does?



Superprecise
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2056 posts since 16/7/11

11 Aug 2019 11:05
Yeah everyone's really worried about the vapid things you're saying
pops
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4004 posts since 2/9/09

posted 11 Aug 2019 11:54, edited 11 Aug 2019 11:54
Just about the most level headed post in days



Superprecise wrote: The stupidity of people willing to believe that Trump is anything other than a self-aggrandising, amoral charlatan is astounding. Aside from his obvious race-baiting and gaslighting, both of which are dangerous whether or not he himself is a bigot, the man is simply an empty vessel with absolutely nothing of worth to say. He is credited with a booming economy but his actual policies therein are nonsensical. How can you listen to his never-ending torrent of bullshit and think 'that's my guy'?! Ridiculous. I can only understand his popularity in terms of a lot of people wanting to give the neoliberal establishment a kicking, their heads full of poison from the likes of Alex Jones, Fox News, the Daily Mail etc etc.
fudge.dredd
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543 posts since 15/12/12

11 Aug 2019 13:02
To my mind, Trump has invaded no countries, started no wars, and is keen on America keeping themselves out of other countries’ business.

His domestic policies seem to be common sense. Let’s be real, an ‘undocumented migrant’ is basically doublespeak for ‘illegal immigrant’. To want to enforce policies like keeping illegal people out of your country is what EVERY country should be doing. Anyone who disagrees, please leave your doors open at night if you don’t mind anyone just wandering into your own little castles.

The hypocrisy is astounding. In fact it’s so astounding you can’t even see if for yourselves. It’s quite sad really.

If you want the Democrats running policy, you’ll see no end to wars on foreign soil as well as enforcing deep reaching policies domestic policies that affect the lives of everyone, not just US citizens.

Just for the record - I am anti-abortion, I believe there are two sexes, and I believe in minimising the reach of the government, whether that’s into private life or any other way. I’m also an unabashed capitalist and will always use any legal methods to minimise my tax liability and I’m proud of it.

Dee
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11128 posts since 22/11/07

posted 11 Aug 2019 13:10, edited 11 Aug 2019 13:10
MLI wrote: Well if you want to look at Body count Trump has probably the lowest of any US president so far. He could have wiped the floor with Iran the other day like Reagan did in Preying Mantis '88. Trump said the lives it would take weren't worth it for a drone.

He's trying to extracate as many US troops from harms way as possible. He figures why should America do the world's killing? Step up and kill for yourself pussies. Fight for your own damn freedom for a change.


Early days…

Let's wait for is other term to pass before casting judgement.

Smiling could not resist.
EssexBoyII
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6386 posts since 5/6/07

11 Aug 2019 13:43
this thread is awful
Sayword
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5082 posts since 1/4/07

posted 11 Aug 2019 14:16, edited 11 Aug 2019 14:16
As a Political scientist, who is black, in America, reading the replies of this thread, reminds me of the global neglect of the truth no one wants to admit.

This isn't about politics. The El Paso shooter targeted Mexicans. The dayton shooter targeted black people, including his sister, seen with black people (probably a black boyfriend)

WHITE SUPREMACISTS IDEOLOGY, that fosters the white fragilicst, and ethnic minorities with the ability to attain "whiteness"(a class based advantage that offers opportunities that places them out of the "black" class)


Do you know that Here in America, most people claim white as their race, as long as they were not descendants of American chattel slavery? East Indians, Hispanics, some asians-especially those mixed with white, all claim their race as WHITE on legal documents. Even Jet black Dominicans claim white here. Race IS THE CLASS HERE. And it's about the ability to attain whiteness, which truly black people cannot. If you go against what is considered "white" at any given time, your group will be targeted.

Remember a time when the Irish were considered niggers? I know the UK in particular dealt with their share of Irish conflict. In the USA, they are no longer niggers.

Any of you familiar with Chan sites should know they opporate as A NETWORK based on a similar ideology: "we (white people) are being oppressed, not factoring in it's just that we are loser incels with nothing to offer SOCIETY."

POLITICS AND ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF JUST PLAIN OLD WHITE SUPREMACY IS A TROLL SMOKESCREEN TO TAKE YOU FROM THE TRUE ARGUMENT.


This is Americans form of white supremacy. It's different everywhere around the world. Ours is new, but it's more in your face, and at least we can see it. Europe's has been deeply engrained since the Moors were chased out of there, so there is no need to be as blatant like the US. It is more subtle and insidious. It's the kind of white supremacy that colonized whole continents and drains and usurps resources hands free, while letting the people fight amongst them selves as if they caused the problem.
Sayword
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5082 posts since 1/4/07

posted 11 Aug 2019 14:40, edited 11 Aug 2019 14:40
I'm sure I don't be need to mention the garbage ass crown, a bunch of inbreds whose wealth was amassed LITERALLY OFF OF COLONIZATION (thanks for America btwRoll Eyes) , as well as slavery. Spain and Portugal made it a hot line, the UK made it a hot Track.

Not to mention Australia's Mass genocide of it's indigenous people, which today no one seems to talk about in that country. Sure some may say "oh yeah, that was sadSad " then it's back to business like it's water under the bridge.
sydneyking
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4514 posts since 26/9/09

11 Aug 2019 16:44
fudge.dredd wrote: Just for the record - I am anti-abortion, I believe there are two sexes, and I believe in minimising the reach of the government, whether that’s into private life or any other way. I’m also an unabashed capitalist and will always use any legal methods to minimise my tax liability and I’m proud of it.

You’ll be looking forward to no immigration laws then? Or is that an area where you do want state intervention? As you say the hypocrisy is astounding
morning mist
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3127 posts since 29/5/05

11 Aug 2019 18:00
Dee would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the essay i linked to that i used as a source. Especially since you managed to debunk the work of two law Ph.D.'s in a couple of minutes, proper rain man level of skill.
morning mist
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3127 posts since 29/5/05

posted 11 Aug 2019 18:05, edited 11 Aug 2019 18:05
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nothingelseworked
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3212 posts since 21/2/10

11 Aug 2019 19:08
But Obama
deuce
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13636 posts since 21/1/08

11 Aug 2019 19:25
But what about Brexit
andymakesglasses
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20167 posts since 26/1/06

11 Aug 2019 21:16
deuce wrote: But what about Brexit

Have you looked at a fucking banana recently? They're still bendy!
Mr.X.
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2822 posts since 23/6/13

posted 12 Aug 2019 08:10, edited 12 Aug 2019 08:10
Monkeys like bananas.
Superprecise
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2056 posts since 16/7/11

12 Aug 2019 09:49
EssexBoyII wrote: this thread is awful
MLI
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4346 posts since 6/10/09

12 Aug 2019 10:45
I feel beat down. I mean my Irish ancestors chewed some shit from the English, still do sometimes. I had my problems, unemployment, alcholism in my family, family voilence, child abuse in my family. My fellow white people went through some slavery shit too, hundreds of years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_slavery

I believe in inherited memory. I believe all the problems I face today are due to the mistreatment of my people in history. I choose to hold a grudge. To have a chip on my shoulder. To be a victim. I blame the ancestors of African merchants, I blame the English. I blame everyone but myself for my life. Only thing is I don't even have that choice. People will laugh in my face if I say that, why do black people have the choice to take the easy way out and be victims their whole lives?

toocan
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707 posts since 7/11/07

12 Aug 2019 11:38
I don't think its the victim card, it's just a statistical disadvantage in some situations which shouldn't exist but does.

https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/minorities-who-whiten-job-resumes-get-more-interviews
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38751307
https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/9/18/16307782/study-racism-jobs
https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/9/16435592/south-park-race-difficulty

Kinda related to a previous discussion but Alex Jones always fascinated me, I always wondered if he believes the shit he spouts or is he just a 10x of what a Piers Morgan or Jeremy Clarkson does ie have a politically insensitive opinion to a publishing deadline for money
misled
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4240 posts since 3/1/02

posted 12 Aug 2019 12:36, edited 12 Aug 2019 12:36
Jesus, the Trump apologists on here. Forever rather be a "Guardian reader" than believe any of that.