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MLI
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posted 28 Aug 2019 07:41, edited 28 Aug 2019 07:41
What amount of Carbon Dioxide emissions are the fires in the Amazon estimated to be producing daily?

What are the global daily total Carbon emissions from everything else?
MLI
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4349 posts since 6/10/09

28 Aug 2019 07:49
I got the global total from here:

https://whatsyourimpact.org/greenhouse-gases/carbon-dioxide-emissions

870 billion tonnes a year = 2.23 billion tonnes per day



sydneyking
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4517 posts since 26/9/09

28 Aug 2019 08:01
Look also at the impact those fires are having on bio diversity and the indigenous population as I think Essex mentioned.

You’re right to want to know what the emissions level is as evidently it’s cause for concern, however you can’t compare one nation with the rest of the world.

Trump has unwittingly paved the way for climate change reform as economic sanctions are much more palatable now in light of trumps trade wars.
andymakesglasses
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20168 posts since 26/1/06

28 Aug 2019 08:11
fudge.dredd wrote: I dont read Guardian articles lad.

fudge.dredd wrote: In fact the following comes from a Guardian article

Laughing out loud

The Guardian wrote: Although some reports have claimed the Amazon produces 20% of the world’s oxygen, it is not clear where this figure originated. The true figure is likely to be no more than 6%

The issue is not so much the oxygen as the carbon absorption and retention. Trees absorb carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas affecting recent climate change. As The Guardian article addresses in the very next point.

The Guardian wrote: So should we still be concerned?
Extremely. The fires are mostly illegal and they are degrading the world’s biggest terrestrial carbon sink and most important home for biodiversity.

fudge.dredd wrote: Secondly, we have more trees now in the world than we did 35 years ago. In fact, more by over 2 million square KM.

Pacific Standard wrote: That "greening", however, masks the ecological impacts of replacing diverse natural landscapes with monoculture crops. So while Earth may presently have more trees than 35 years ago, the study confirms that some of its most productive and biodiverse biomes - especially tropical forests and savannas[sic] - are significantly more damaged and degraded, reducing their resilience and capacity to afford ecosystem services.
MLI
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4349 posts since 6/10/09

28 Aug 2019 08:21
MLI wrote: I got the global total from here:

https://whatsyourimpact.org/greenhouse-gases/carbon-dioxide-emissions

870 billion tonnes a year = 2.23 billion tonnes per day

Okay I got the total from the fires.

Vice said: https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/wjw5bb/the-amazon-wildfires-arent-natural-blame-humans

"According to Parrington, fires in the Amazon release an average of 500-600 metric tons of carbon dioxide over the course of a typical year. In 2019 so far, they’ve already released 200 metric tons of the greenhouse gas. According to the Global Fire Emissions Database, 8,668 fires have been detected in Amazonas as of Monday. That exceeds the past few years, and falls just short of the 2016 high of 8,836."

So August 2019 200 metric tons released (below average?) So about 240 days = 0.83 tons of carbon/day

So the earth produces 2.23 billion tonnes of carbon a day and the fires are adding another 0.83 tonnes.

That's an extra 3.721973094170404e-10 percentage of global carbon!!!

Holy shit! Evacuate the planet!! Jimmy Hill jawdrop

figurine
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5669 posts since 14/5/07

28 Aug 2019 08:25
MLI wrote:
MLI wrote: I got the global total from here:

https://whatsyourimpact.org/greenhouse-gases/carbon-dioxide-emissions

870 billion tonnes a year = 2.23 billion tonnes per day

Okay I got the total from the fires.

Vice said: https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/wjw5bb/the-amazon-wildfires-arent-natural-blame-humans

"According to Parrington, fires in the Amazon release an average of 500-600 metric tons of carbon dioxide over the course of a typical year. In 2019 so far, they’ve already released 200 metric tons of the greenhouse gas. According to the Global Fire Emissions Database, 8,668 fires have been detected in Amazonas as of Monday. That exceeds the past few years, and falls just short of the 2016 high of 8,836."

So August 2019 200 metric tons released (below average?) So about 240 days = 0.83 tons of carbon/day

So the earth produces 2.23 billion tonnes of carbon a day and the fires are adding another 0.83 tonnes.

That's an extra 3.721973094170404e-10 percentage of global carbon!!!

Holy shit! Evacuate the planet!! Jimmy Hill jawdrop
That's some seriously ropey maths.
james_fox
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538 posts since 1/8/10

28 Aug 2019 12:15
dunning-kruger effect strong in this thread

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect
LFC
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3624 posts since 14/6/11

28 Aug 2019 12:48
I’m guna watch The Lorax tonight I think
Dee
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11142 posts since 22/11/07

28 Aug 2019 16:38
swede wrote: yeah FUCK SWEDEN. full of LIBERAL CUCKS amirite dee?

is it? no idea just pulling your pisser Sticking out tongue
MLI
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4349 posts since 6/10/09

posted 28 Aug 2019 20:44, edited 28 Aug 2019 20:44
james_fox wrote: dunning-kruger effect strong in this thread

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect

Propaganda and exageration are strong in this world regarding global warming. Just fighting back with rational thoughts.
fudge.dredd
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posted 28 Aug 2019 22:13, edited 28 Aug 2019 22:13
I just think leftists have a certain arrogance to them… their worldview seems to come from the viewpoint of ‘i’m right and possess the only knowledge that’s worth knowing and anyone who thinks otherwise is dumb, deluded and/or just a right wing nazi’.

You’re all literally brainwashed by the mainstream media. Taught and told how and what to think.

It’s quite pathetic really.

PS: and I only posted the link to the guardian article so as to point to prove that even a paper like that would post something so fundamental and truthful, against the Groupthink that’s generally promoted. The irony was entirely on purpose but I guess it went over your heads… wow.
sydneyking
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4517 posts since 26/9/09

28 Aug 2019 22:21
Roll Eyes
fudge.dredd
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551 posts since 15/12/12

28 Aug 2019 23:35
^ yep so cool with that little emoji. Proving my point again.
EssexBoyII
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6389 posts since 5/6/07

29 Aug 2019 05:32
Leftists Laughing out loud only a step away from libtards. What’s pathetic is that you sound like sound fat 60 yo ranting on Facebook.

Milspex, if we take your math as correct (which is a big leap) you have to understand the nuances of how the Amazon operates. The Amazon will have a point where it is no longer self sustaining and will tip over in to a spiral of desertification which will lead to a savannah like terrain killing the biodiversity and carbon sucking potential. Also even a smallish percentage is terrible omgz evacuate the planet when we’re already on course to overshoot the safe global climate targets
sydneyking
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4517 posts since 26/9/09

29 Aug 2019 06:03
fudge.dredd wrote: ^ yep so cool with that little emoji. Proving my point again.

In 2013 a study showed 97% of the worlds publishing climate change scientists across 12,000 academic papers agreed that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Further studies show that figure has now likely increased to 99%.

That isn’t “group think” or “arrogance” or any other term you want to label it, it’s called being presented with the evidence and drawing a conclusion from that evidence. If the evidence changes expect “leftists” to change their minds.



andymakesglasses
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20168 posts since 26/1/06

29 Aug 2019 07:36
fudge.dredd wrote: You’re all literally brainwashed by the mainstream media. Taught and told how and what to think.

It’s quite pathetic really.

How do you define mainstream media?

How do you define non-mainstream media?

Is a media source less accurate or trustworthy if more people consume it?

Is a media source more accurate or trustworthy if less people consume it?

What checks do you make to ensure that what you're listening to or reading is accurate and backed up by facts?

What's your opinion on peer-reviewed academic research?
MLI
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4349 posts since 6/10/09

posted 29 Aug 2019 08:48, edited 29 Aug 2019 08:48
EssexBoyII wrote: The Amazon will have a point where it is no longer self sustaining and will tip over in to a spiral of desertification which will lead to a savannah like terrain killing the biodiversity and carbon sucking potential. Also even a smallish percentage is terrible omgz evacuate the planet when we’re already on course to overshoot the safe global climate targets

How do you know this? Has it ever happened before in history? Has more carbon ever turned a forest into a desert?

Far as I can tell more carbon = thriving plant life. We should be pumping that shit into the atmosphere as fast as we can.

I wouldn't mind some actual global warming, we had another cold ass winter down here in Aus. I leave my lights on, run my vaccuum cleaner all day while I'm at work, I do my bit but it's still cold as hell.
figurine
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5669 posts since 14/5/07

29 Aug 2019 08:57
MLI has to be parody, noone can be that dumb.
RickRude
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3258 posts since 13/1/12

29 Aug 2019 09:20
It’s funny how everyone is either a global warming expert or Amazonian rainforest expert now. Let’s see what happens next month and everyone will become an expert on the topic of the day.
nothingelseworked
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3216 posts since 21/2/10

29 Aug 2019 09:32
RickRude wrote: It’s funny how everyone is either a global warming expert or Amazonian rainforest expert now. Let’s see what happens next month and everyone will become an expert on the topic of the day.

It's almost as if people research and keep up with what is happening in the world. You don't have to be an expert to understand what is happening. Some of us learned how to learn. You should try it some time.