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MLI
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4450 posts since 6/10/09

27 Sep 2019 08:32
2019. up is down. left is right. The world is completely fucked up.
Rez
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7969 posts since 5/4/09

27 Sep 2019 08:47
Le Camp des Saints! You going to recommend the Turner Diaries next?

MLI
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4450 posts since 6/10/09

posted 27 Sep 2019 22:21, edited 27 Sep 2019 22:21
It's not even insidious anymore though, it's blatant denial of reality and common sense yet more and more sheep are jumping on board progressive lies. Facts and reality don't seem to matter any more. You could explain all the reasons why a leftist is wrong in clear undisputed facts and the leftist would just nod and call you a nazi. It's world gone mad stuff and the scariest life has ever been in relative peace time.

Just one clear example that the world has actually gone insane is the Gilette razor ad this year. We now live in another dimension where companies now insult their customers instead of try to win them over. There are countless other illogical anomolies that present themselves in our dumb, insane, topsy turvy, upside down, bizarro world of today.
nothingelseworked
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3285 posts since 21/2/10

27 Sep 2019 22:24
Thread was bumped 5mins ago but the last post in here was 14hrs ago and I can hear flies buzzing about. Spooky.
Superprecise
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2079 posts since 16/7/11

23 Oct 2019 08:20
Curious to hear what the forum’s divs make of Trump’s pulling out of Syria and pressing Ukraine for dirt on Biden?

Deep state witch hunt or fair play from a master dealmaker?
EssexBoyII
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6489 posts since 5/6/07

23 Oct 2019 08:33
More hilarity from a complete shambles of a leader
fudge.dredd
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723 posts since 15/12/12

29 Oct 2019 15:03
Superprecise wrote: Curious to hear what the forum’s divs make of Trump’s pulling out of Syria and pressing Ukraine for dirt on Biden?

Deep state witch hunt or fair play from a master dealmaker?

Well this div thinks the USA pull out is correct. He campaigned on removing US troops from foreign wars that have nothing to do with them.

He hired Bolton to the lefts shock and horror, then when he sacked him (as Bolton was definitely pro-war), the left jumped on Trump again. He also didn’t respond to Iran’s drone strikes on oil tankers as he knows they’re just trying to goad him into a war.

The Turks won’t be happy until they’ve killed every Kurd alive - that won’t ever change and it’s up to these guys to sort their own affairs out for once without any needless US deaths.

Really can’t understand why the left loves war so much.

And as for the Ukraine issue - damn right it should be investigated if Biden’s son was on the board of a Ukraine company. Conflict of interests?

The important thing is has Trump committed an offence? No.

-DiscoTits-
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732 posts since 26/11/07

29 Oct 2019 15:38
Weirdly enough I agree with some of the sentiment above.

As much as I despise trump on most of his actions I think he’s right to pull out of foreign wars that have nothing to do with western states. Too long have we had interventionist governments getting involved in other people’s wars. And I say this as someone who lost a family member in Iraq.
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posted 29 Oct 2019 15:41, edited 29 Oct 2019 15:41
On a different note how pumped are we brits for a December election? It’s not going to solve anything. Tories will be split by the Brexit Party. Labour will lose votes to the Lib Dem’s in England and Wales. SNP likely to regain quite a few seats they lost in 2017, further reducing Labours chances to win an election. In Northern Ireland I’m hearing that the unionist parties who usually step aside to let the most likely unionist candidate from other parties win will not do so this time round therefore opening the door for Sinn Fein. Nigel Dodds is at big risk of losing his seat apparently !
fudge.dredd
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723 posts since 15/12/12

29 Oct 2019 16:10
-DiscoTits- wrote: Weirdly enough I agree with some of the sentiment above.

As much as I despise trump on most of his actions I think he’s right to pull out of foreign wars that have nothing to do with western states. Too long have we had interventionist governments getting involved in other people’s wars. And I say this as someone who lost a family member in Iraq.

It shouldn’t be weird! Smiling
fudge.dredd
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723 posts since 15/12/12

29 Oct 2019 16:13
-DiscoTits- wrote: On a different note how pumped are we brits for a December election? It’s not going to solve anything. Tories will be split by the Brexit Party. Labour will lose votes to the Lib Dem’s in England and Wales. SNP likely to regain quite a few seats they lost in 2017, further reducing Labours chances to win an election. In Northern Ireland I’m hearing that the unionist parties who usually step aside to let the most likely unionist candidate from other parties win will not do so this time round therefore opening the door for Sinn Fein. Nigel Dodds is at big risk of losing his seat apparently !

Will be very interesting but a HUGE gamble by Boris.

It’s do or die in my opinion.

Unless they make a pact with the Brexit Party, we are genuinely at risk of the most leftist, socialist government since the 70s. And I wasn’t even alive then but I’ve read of electricity shortages and whatnot.
misled
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4253 posts since 3/1/02

posted 29 Oct 2019 16:18, edited 29 Oct 2019 16:18
So Trump betrays the Kurds who helped defeat ISIS alongside the Americans, and leaves them to possible genocide, the thousands of ISIS prisoners who were held by the Kurds escape and potentially make their way into Europe, Russia and Syria gain a foothold. Great move.
misled
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4253 posts since 3/1/02

29 Oct 2019 16:21
-DiscoTits- wrote: Weirdly enough I agree with some of the sentiment above.

As much as I despise trump on most of his actions I think he’s right to pull out of foreign wars that have nothing to do with western states. Too long have we had interventionist governments getting involved in other people’s wars. And I say this as someone who lost a family member in Iraq.

moved a bunch of US troops into Saudi though didn't he?
-DiscoTits-
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732 posts since 26/11/07

29 Oct 2019 16:24
What’s so bad about Syrian government retaking a foothold in their own country? Let them police themselves.
misled
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4253 posts since 3/1/02

29 Oct 2019 16:29
-DiscoTits- wrote: What’s so bad about Syrian government retaking a foothold in their own country? Let them police themselves.

By killing all their citizens? Great. And whether or not America should have got involved previously, they did, so to abandon the people who fought beside them is shameful. It also destroys what had actually been a successful campaign against ISIS
fudge.dredd
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posted 29 Oct 2019 16:32, edited 29 Oct 2019 16:32
Regardless of what the mainstream media will have you believe, Isis has been totally defeated. The ideology will not peter out until Muslim leaders rise up and defeat political Islam themselves.

And did anyone care that Trump just led the successful mission to kill the founder of Isis? Did anyone rejoice like when Bin Laden was killed?

And if not, why not?
-DiscoTits-
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732 posts since 26/11/07

posted 29 Oct 2019 16:37, edited 29 Oct 2019 16:37
So Assad is going to genocide everyone in Syria apart from his nearest and dearest is he?

My point is instead of America and U.K. basically fighting proxy wars inside these countries that we should be out of these places and allowing their governments to police themselves and not destroying countries to take their resources and further destabilise the Middle East.
fudge.dredd
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723 posts since 15/12/12

29 Oct 2019 16:41
^ the whole Syria situation is much more complicated than what is put out.

It’s never actually been proven without doubt that he had even used nerve gas against his own people. Multiple UN reports acknowledge this. They can’t say for sure, due to all the insurgent groups in the area that all have access to biological weapons.

I’ll post some links up later backing up my mad ramblings.
misled
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posted 29 Oct 2019 16:43, edited 29 Oct 2019 16:43
-DiscoTits- wrote: So Assad is going to genocide everyone in Syria apart from his nearest and dearest is he?

My point is instead of America and U.K. basically fighting proxy wars inside these countries that we should be out of these places and allowing their governments to police themselves and not destroying countries to take their resources and further destabilise the Middle East.

I think Assad has shown he will happily torture and kill to retain power. I generally agree with you that we shouldn't be getting involved in these wars, but it had already happened and to pull out like that is causing huge problems. Still, at least Trumps business interests in Turkey survive
fudge.dredd
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29 Oct 2019 16:48
From the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) official report:

https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/Fact_Finding_Mission/s-1510-2017_e_.pdf

‘Typically, samples from an incident would be collected by the investigating team immediately after the incident, using approved procedures and equipment, including full documentation of the chain of custody of the samples. As noted earlier, the team was constrained due to the inability to access the site of the alleged incident and the amount of time that had passed between the alleged incident and receipt of samples by the team (depending on the source, between 1 week and 2 months after the incident). As a result, the team was unable to: (a) assess the geography and conditions of the location of the alleged incident; (b) directly select sampling points and items; © conduct on-site collection of samples; and (d) implement a complete chain of custody, by the team, for samples from source.

Paragraph 3.59

Exploitation of the site by other parties also adversely impacted the FFM’s ability to receive a broader range of evidence from the site and build a picture of the alleged method of dispersion.’