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JustinCredible
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2563 posts since 11/6/08

19 Nov 2019 20:37
I will be voting Labour mate, I too think Corbyn is shite but this isn't America - you vote for a party based on their policies not for an individual - if that was the case the Tories would be fucked as Boris is an absolute comedian
Rez
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8035 posts since 5/4/09

19 Nov 2019 20:46
'I’ll prob vote them but I disagree in their revive policy'

Sorry stoney thought you meant remain policy, what do you mean here. What is 'revive'
nothingelseworked
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3375 posts since 21/2/10

19 Nov 2019 21:42
Why does it matter what side he's on if Labour's policy is to enact whatever comes from an informed referendum on a leave deal vs remain? Literally doesn't matter. Johnson kept parroting it in tonight's debate.

80% of the debate tonight was Brexit Brexit Brexit - someone remind me why we're having a GE for this? It's clearly not about domestic policy. Shouldn't we just have a legally-binding referendum on Brexit rather than an election to deal with Brexit…? But logic be damned, I suppose.
MattC
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709 posts since 20/3/12

19 Nov 2019 21:49
We already did
nothingelseworked
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3375 posts since 21/2/10

posted 19 Nov 2019 21:57, edited 19 Nov 2019 21:57
MattC wrote: We already did

What did we vote for again? Was it CU? SM? Hard-Brexit? Hard-Brexit for GB but soft Brexit for NI? What was the deal we voted on? I don't recall but sounds like you do.

Edit: LeAvE mEaNs lEaVe rEd WhItE & bLuE bReXiT nOw!

Edit2: As if the Tories couldn't get any scummier - they renamed themselves to "FactCheckUK" On Twitter and were peddling lies whilst pretending to be an independent fact checking org during the debate.
phelen
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6436 posts since 16/8/06

19 Nov 2019 23:16
nothingelseworked wrote: Why does it matter what side he's on if Labour's policy is to enact whatever comes from an informed referendum on a leave deal vs remain? Literally doesn't matter. Johnson kept parroting it in tonight's debate.

80% of the debate tonight was Brexit Brexit Brexit - someone remind me why we're having a GE for this? It's clearly not about domestic policy. Shouldn't we just have a legally-binding referendum on Brexit rather than an election to deal with Brexit…? But logic be damned, I suppose.

Spot on.
Mr.X.
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2894 posts since 23/6/13

posted 20 Nov 2019 09:58, edited 20 Nov 2019 09:58
I saw the last 15 minutes of Boris the bufoon vs cowardly Corbyn. They came across badly.

Like Stonefish, I'm a libral.

I think climate change is a real issue, as country we like to talk about it and not act and I know I don't do enough. There's also race issue which still gets swept under the carpet and laughed off. Privileged white people rule our country and that's not good.
fudge.dredd
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1020 posts since 15/12/12

posted 20 Nov 2019 13:22, edited 20 Nov 2019 13:22
I’m surprised that no one actually comes back to me or anyone else regarding the proposals Labour have of nationalising pretty much everything they’re proposing.

what good is going to come from nationalising everything and taxing the ‘rich’ even more? This is truly the politics of envy.

don’t forget that the 1% richest people in the UK pay up to 30% of the tax already.

We need a proper overhaul of the benefit system. Why is it better for some people to remain on benefits than work? We’ve created an underclass to the working class and people who can literally live their entire lives on benefits.

Curb immigration of unskilled people, incentivise people to work those jobs and make it worthwhile. Until you start with basics like these, we won’t see any progress.

I see Labour now want the British empire looked at again and ‘reviewed’. How unpatriotic can this party get?

Strange they never teach you in school that 7 of the world’s 10 richest countries (Qatar, Singapore, Kuwait, Brunei, UAE, Hong Kong, and the USA) were British colonies or protectorates and five of the ten richest African countries (Egypt, Sudan, South Africa, Ghana, and Nigeria) were British colonies too.
ismvil
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819 posts since 16/9/11

20 Nov 2019 13:40
"don’t forget that the 1% richest people in the UK pay up to 30% of the tax already."

It's important to distinguish income and wealth when it comes to tax, as far as I remember the bit you're quoting is about income - but I can't find the OG source so could be wrong.

Also as a fellow student of history I'm sure you'd agree that historically as a gulf in wealth between the richest and the rest increases, bad things tend to happen.

https://aeon.co/essays/history-tells-us-where-the-wealth-gap-leads
swiftus
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916 posts since 1/7/09

20 Nov 2019 13:43
fudge.dredd wrote: I’m surprised that no one actually comes back to me or anyone else regarding the proposals Labour have of nationalising pretty much everything they’re proposing.

Are you really surprised? You're like the granddad with dementia that everyone's flashes a smile to and just largely ignores at the family Xmas get-together, whilst he goes on talking to himself about the good ol' days.
figurine
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5783 posts since 14/5/07

20 Nov 2019 13:45
swiftus wrote:
fudge.dredd wrote: I’m surprised that no one actually comes back to me or anyone else regarding the proposals Labour have of nationalising pretty much everything they’re proposing.

Are you really surprised? You're like the granddad with dementia that everyone's flashes a smile to and just largely ignores at the family Xmas get-together, whilst he goes on talking to himself about the good ol' days.
Laughing out loud
-DiscoTits-
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771 posts since 26/11/07

20 Nov 2019 13:53
Best bet for the U.K. now is for it to be a disastrous Tory style brexit where we lose any advantage we once had and shrink into obscurity like we deserve. Hopefully Scotland gets independence one way or another and becomes a member of the EEA or similar and then Ireland re unites. Wales and England can continue on in their fantasy Brexit land and suffer the consequences and hopefully the Tory party dies a horrible death.
andymakesglasses
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20298 posts since 26/1/06

20 Nov 2019 13:56
fudge.dredd wrote: Strange they never teach you in school that 7 of the world’s 10 richest countries (Qatar, Singapore, Kuwait, Brunei, UAE, Hong Kong, and the USA) were British colonies or protectorates and five of the ten richest African countries (Egypt, Sudan, South Africa, Ghana, and Nigeria) were British colonies too.

Was this lifted from BritishEmpireNostalgia.com?
sydneyking
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4653 posts since 26/9/09

posted 20 Nov 2019 14:32, edited 20 Nov 2019 14:32
Fudge, you do talk some shite.
ismvil
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819 posts since 16/9/11

20 Nov 2019 14:40
andymakesglasses wrote:
fudge.dredd wrote: Strange they never teach you in school that 7 of the world’s 10 richest countries (Qatar, Singapore, Kuwait, Brunei, UAE, Hong Kong, and the USA) were British colonies or protectorates and five of the ten richest African countries (Egypt, Sudan, South Africa, Ghana, and Nigeria) were British colonies too.

Was this lifted from BritishEmpireNostalgia.com?

Not to mention 4 of those have huge natural reserves of oil and gas that unless we put there a bajillion years ago we have nothing to do with. And HK isn't a country. But fuck details etc
JustinCredible
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2563 posts since 11/6/08

20 Nov 2019 15:29
andymakesglasses wrote:
fudge.dredd wrote: Strange they never teach you in school that 7 of the world’s 10 richest countries (Qatar, Singapore, Kuwait, Brunei, UAE, Hong Kong, and the USA) were British colonies or protectorates and five of the ten richest African countries (Egypt, Sudan, South Africa, Ghana, and Nigeria) were British colonies too.

Was this lifted from BritishEmpireNostalgia.com?
Laughing out loud
RickRude
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3277 posts since 13/1/12

posted 20 Nov 2019 17:30, edited 20 Nov 2019 17:30
ismvil wrote:
andymakesglasses wrote:
fudge.dredd wrote: Strange they never teach you in school that 7 of the world’s 10 richest countries (Qatar, Singapore, Kuwait, Brunei, UAE, Hong Kong, and the USA) were British colonies or protectorates and five of the ten richest African countries (Egypt, Sudan, South Africa, Ghana, and Nigeria) were British colonies too.

Was this lifted from BritishEmpireNostalgia.com?

Not to mention 4 of those have huge natural reserves of oil and gas that unless we put there a bajillion years ago we have nothing to do with. And HK isn't a country. But fuck details etc

Hong Kong is classed as a SAR and operates as its own country in many ways -JusSayin
Crackajack
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7308 posts since 21/4/05

20 Nov 2019 18:40
andymakesglasses wrote:
fudge.dredd wrote: Strange they never teach you in school that 7 of the world’s 10 richest countries (Qatar, Singapore, Kuwait, Brunei, UAE, Hong Kong, and the USA) were British colonies or protectorates and five of the ten richest African countries (Egypt, Sudan, South Africa, Ghana, and Nigeria) were British colonies too.

Was this lifted from BritishEmpireNostalgia.com?

Who would have thought that we might have wanted to colonise countries with vast natural resources Laughing out loud
deuce
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13753 posts since 21/1/08

20 Nov 2019 18:53
swiftus wrote:
fudge.dredd wrote: I’m surprised that no one actually comes back to me or anyone else regarding the proposals Labour have of nationalising pretty much everything they’re proposing.

Are you really surprised? You're like the granddad with dementia that everyone's flashes a smile to and just largely ignores at the family Xmas get-together, whilst he goes on talking to himself about the good ol' days.
so its not because its easier to discredit a person, blanket calling them dumb/stupid/ignorant/other names, rather than actually refuting their points then?
nothingelseworked
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3375 posts since 21/2/10

20 Nov 2019 21:20