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sydneyking
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4618 posts since 26/9/09

23 Nov 2019 16:24
What makes you say that?
andymakesglasses
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20262 posts since 26/1/06

24 Nov 2019 10:06
Jeremy Corbyn, I would imagine.
fudge.dredd
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958 posts since 15/12/12

24 Nov 2019 10:53
fudge.dredd wrote: From the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) official report:

https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/Fact_Finding_Mission/s-1510-2017_e_.pdf

‘Typically, samples from an incident would be collected by the investigating team immediately after the incident, using approved procedures and equipment, including full documentation of the chain of custody of the samples. As noted earlier, the team was constrained due to the inability to access the site of the alleged incident and the amount of time that had passed between the alleged incident and receipt of samples by the team (depending on the source, between 1 week and 2 months after the incident). As a result, the team was unable to: (a) assess the geography and conditions of the location of the alleged incident; (b) directly select sampling points and items; © conduct on-site collection of samples; and (d) implement a complete chain of custody, by the team, for samples from source.

Paragraph 3.59

Exploitation of the site by other parties also adversely impacted the FFM’s ability to receive a broader range of evidence from the site and build a picture of the alleged method of dispersion.’


Looks like I was ahead of the game on this one too.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718627/Sexed-dossier-furore-alleged-poison-gas-attack-Assad.html

https://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13980903000286

Not many papers covering it though
fudge.dredd
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958 posts since 15/12/12

posted 24 Nov 2019 10:57, edited 24 Nov 2019 10:57
Rez wrote: Don't think you know what a trope is

‘The word trope has also come to be used for describing commonly recurring literary and rhetorical devices, motifs or clichés….‘

…such as the socialist bollocks you spout.

But yeah, play the man and not the ball.
Dee
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11277 posts since 22/11/07

24 Nov 2019 11:24
sydneyking wrote: What makes you say that?

Purely down to Corbyn's leadership. They've also pretty much lost their safeholds outside of London. I spent last night at a party in Teeside and the overall feeling is that these lifelong labour supporters are gritting their teeth and are going to vote Tory. He's over egging his pledges and will never be able to deliver and his lack of clarity on Brexit has damaged them. Labour should have removed him ages ago. That's why I thought the libs would soak up quite a bit of the remain vote, which is pretty much the focusing element of this GE.
caol87
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2071 posts since 28/6/14

posted 24 Nov 2019 12:15, edited 24 Nov 2019 12:15
My sister recently left her work of 5+ years at Westminster working for a Labour MP, even she doesn't want to see Corbyn as Prime Minister and is finding it hard to cast her usual Labour vote this time around, that's saying something…
joeyjojo
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4072 posts since 24/8/06

24 Nov 2019 12:32
Because English people are thick as shit. His manifesto is basically Scandinavia and it seems to work well there Laughing out loud Laughing out loud or is must be a coincidence they’re the happiest countries on earth?

But yeah, homelessness, foodbanks and increasingly wide rich/ poor divide are fucking awesome right
james_fox
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541 posts since 1/8/10

posted 24 Nov 2019 13:21, edited 24 Nov 2019 13:21
Dee wrote: …lifelong labour supporters are gritting their teeth and are going to vote Tory.

this makes no sense at all

if you're a true labour supporter you would never ever ever vote tory in any circumstances, end of

(in my opinion)
james_fox
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541 posts since 1/8/10

posted 24 Nov 2019 13:22, edited 24 Nov 2019 13:22
joeyjojo wrote: Because English people are thick as shit.

too many bootlickers in this country, if we vote the tories in again we deserve to be miserable
phelen
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6429 posts since 16/8/06

24 Nov 2019 13:35
james_fox wrote:
Dee wrote: …lifelong labour supporters are gritting their teeth and are going to vote Tory.

this makes no sense at all

if you're a true labour supporter you would never ever ever vote tory in any circumstances, end of

(in my opinion)
Yeah exactly its a bizarre statement to make, understand a protest vote but for the Tories?. What kind of mental gymnastics do you need to do.

I know many dislike Corbyn for reasons I still can't fathom when we have Bojo.
Crackajack
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7254 posts since 21/4/05

24 Nov 2019 13:36
Policies are good.

It's the handling of the antisemitism, his lack of leadership (Milne and McCluskey are running things) and the Brexit position.

Of course this absolutely pales into comparison against the Tories and he genuinely looks a giant of politics compared to Johnson.
nothingelseworked
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3353 posts since 21/2/10

24 Nov 2019 13:58
Overegged pledges Laughing out loud The spending outlined in the (fully costed) manifesto is still lower than most of the strongest economies in Europe.

The policies/spending are aiming to modernise our infrastructure and spending and bring it inline with most thriving and advanced economies around the world. This is where we should be spending; the Tories have convinced people that spending anymore than what they outline = economic suicide when it's simply not true.

The perfect example of this is the Tories 2 years ago said Labour's plans for spending were ridiculous - the Tories during this GE will be pledging to spend around the same as (or I believe more than) Labour pledged 2 years ago ffs.

I agree, though, I don't expect Labour to win. It seems clear this "radical" manifesto is setting up a long-term plan for the party. These policies are inevitably the future for any country to progress so Labour is calling them now. And Lib Dems will replace Tories in 10 years.
fudge.dredd
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958 posts since 15/12/12

24 Nov 2019 14:10
joeyjojo wrote: Because English people are thick as shit. His manifesto is basically Scandinavia and it seems to work well there Laughing out loud Laughing out loud or is must be a coincidence they’re the happiest countries on earth?

But yeah, homelessness, foodbanks and increasingly wide rich/ poor divide are fucking awesome right

Are you really this thick?

The population of ALL the Nordic countries COMBINED is 27 million.

Apart from Sweden in recent years, each of the Scandinavian countries are shit hot on tight immigration. In fact, you could probably call them as right wing as you can get when it comes to that.

One of my wife’s schoolmates was raised in Denmark after his parents moved there from Iran when he was 3. He’s 30 now and still doesn’t have danish citizenship.

I also think the national football teams are always a good indicator of the immigration policies of countries - check how ‘diverse’ the national teams of Denmark, Iceland, Norway, etc are…
joeyjojo
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4072 posts since 24/8/06

24 Nov 2019 14:58
Nothing mentioned about immigration? Genuinely not sure what you’re on about? Are you losing it again?
joeyjojo
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4072 posts since 24/8/06

24 Nov 2019 14:58
also didn’t mention anything about Nordic countries either? Yep. Must be losing it again
fudge.dredd
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958 posts since 15/12/12

posted 24 Nov 2019 15:21, edited 24 Nov 2019 15:21
You said his policies seem to work in Scandinavia and they’re classed as the happiest places in the world.

Do I need to draw some diagrams for you?

The policies can work if your population is small and you control immigration.

You can’t promise the earth and at the same time allow total free movement of people.

Is your IQ in single figures or something?
fudge.dredd
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958 posts since 15/12/12

24 Nov 2019 15:23
Oh and I meant Nordic in the same way you meant Scandinavia - Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Iceland, Norway and so on but I’m sure you knew this.
james_fox
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541 posts since 1/8/10

24 Nov 2019 15:42
fudge.dredd wrote: You can’t promise the earth and at the same time allow total free movement of people.

nowhere has total free movement of people
joeyjojo
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4072 posts since 24/8/06

24 Nov 2019 15:44
Nope I meant Scandinavia as in Scandinavia. And possibly Finland.

It’s been mentioned before but Sweden has one of the highest immigration per capita. And it all seems to work well here.
You talk as if you have some secret understanding of how politics work. The amount of money the UK wastes on shit and you think we can’t afford decent welfare or healthcare.
The personal jibes are laughable as well. You are straight up constantly owned on this forum for being a retard and you’re breakdowns have been epic. You’re a joke as are your opinions and attitude so fuck off back to the watch thread where at least one or two people care what you say.
sydneyking
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4618 posts since 26/9/09

24 Nov 2019 15:45
fudge.dredd wrote: I also think the national football teams are always a good indicator of the immigration policies of countries - check how ‘diverse’ the national teams of Denmark, Iceland, Norway, etc are…

Laughing out loud