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inversesquare
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6667 posts since 7/6/08

posted 25 Nov 2019 22:19, edited 25 Nov 2019 22:19
Dee wrote: These American style debates/q&a's are so shite. Sit them down one to one with a decent interviewer like Andrew Neil and grill them all.

He grilled Sturgeon tonight. Corbyn on tomorrow.
-DiscoTits-
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757 posts since 26/11/07

25 Nov 2019 23:26
She fair got a grilling, but he isn't infallible, as he misquoted the growth commission report and he was interrupting her at the end of the segment instead of listening to her answers. I think overall she did ok tonight with him. I hope he eviscerates Johnson and shows him up for the lying bastard he is.
fudge.dredd
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958 posts since 15/12/12

26 Nov 2019 11:11
^ gotta love this ‘angle’ to just paint Boris as a liar.

Doesn’t EVERY politician lie? What’s with this new tack?

It’s like Labour are already getting their excuses ready for when/if they get wiped out at this election - the ‘right wing press’ will have brainwashed the masses…. I can see it coming.
fudge.dredd
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958 posts since 15/12/12

posted 26 Nov 2019 11:13, edited 26 Nov 2019 11:13
morning mist wrote:
fudge.dredd wrote: Sweden is turning into a shithole - go and visit Stockholm, Uppsala, or Gothenburg. Go and see true immigration in action. Go and check their recent crime stats.

‘Gang-related gun murders, now mainly a phenomenon among men with immigrant backgrounds in the country’s parallel societies, increased from 4 per year in the early 1990s to around 40 last year. Because of this, Sweden has gone from being a low-crime country to having homicide rates significantly above the Western European average. Social unrest, with car torchings, attacks on first responders and even riots, is a recurring phenomenon.

Shootings in the country have become so common that they don’t make top headlines anymore, unless they are spectacular or lead to fatalities. News of attacks are quickly replaced with headlines about sports events and celebrities, as readers have become desensitized to the violence. A generation ago, bombings against the police and riots were extremely rare events. Today, reading about such incidents is considered part of daily life.‘

Go fuck yourself

I'm Swedish and all you know about Sweden is from alt-right/right-wing propaganda sources, like the above text you copy pasted from a right-wing source.

fudge.dredd wrote: The European crime index makes interesting reading doesn’t it? Notice any patterns or can’t you take your Guardian glasses off to see?

Rank
Country
Crime Index
1 Ukraine 49.04
2 Sweden 47.21
3 France 46.45
….

Your source for that is Numbeo, a site that collects "user contributed data" by letting anyone fill in a quick survey based on the users perception of a subject/country. Even for you that is a seriously shitty source.

PS. I just added my "data" by answering some questions on how i perceive crime in Spain. I would not go back there if i were you, they just had a rise in perceived crime.


Lol you really are a melt.

Is Sweden a socialist country?

And interesting that all you say is ‘I’m from Sweden’ and don’t answer any of the points I made? Is crime on the rise? Has multiculturalism worked? Does Sweden have issues with no-go zones? Are the government not allowed to report the ethnicity of people who commit crimes?

Cmon IKEA, talk.

Anything that doesn’t agree with your worldview is ‘right wing’

How about this table comparing countries by rape:



Or from ‘Europe Blog’ -

The highest rates of sexual violence were reported in: Ireland, Sweden, Austria and Germany.

This makes them slightly less safe to live in, and contrasts them with the countries with the lowest European crime rates: Spain, Hungary, Finland and Portugal. Italy and France also have very low rates of assault.

Or how about this graph from the right wing Wikipedia:



Loving that upward trend in rape and sex crimes… I wonder what’s caused that… all that pent up Viking aggression..
nothingelseworked
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3354 posts since 21/2/10

posted 26 Nov 2019 12:56, edited 26 Nov 2019 12:56
Already been in discussed in this thread. You really are the old grandpa shouting at a cloud Laughing out loud

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

https://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/

Widely differing legal systems, offence definitions, terminological variations, recording practices and statistical conventions makes any cross-national comparison on rape statistics difficult. Large-scale victimisation surveys have been presented as a more reliable indicator.[34]

UNODC report
A frequently cited source when comparing Swedish rape statistics internationally is the regularly published report by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC). In 2012, according to the report by UNODC, Sweden was quoted as having 66.5 cases of reported rapes per 100,000 population,[35] based on official statistics by Brå.[36] This is the highest number of reported rape of any nation in the report. The high number of reported rapes in Sweden can partly be explained by the comparatively broad definition of rape, the method of which the Swedish police record rapes, a high confidence in the criminal justice system, and an effort by the Government to decrease the number of unreported rapes.[note 1][25][37][26][38]

Unreliable data for cross-national comparison
Further information: Swedish rape statistics
The UNODC itself discourages any cross-national comparisons based on their reports, because of the differences that exist between legal definitions, methods of offense counting and crime reporting.[35] In 2013, of the 129 countries listed in the UNODC report, a total of 67 countries had no reported data on rape.[24][35] Some majority-Muslim countries missing data—for example Egypt—classifies rape as assault.[39][40] A crime survey funded by the UN and published in The Lancet Global Health concluded that almost a quarter of all men admit to rape in parts of Asia.[41][42] Some of the countries with the highest percentage of men admitting rape in that study, China and Bangladesh for instance, are also not listed or have relatively low numbers of reported rape in the UNODC report.[35]

8 out of 10 of the countries with the highest number of reported rape in the 2011 UNODC report were members of OECD, an organization of high-income economies with a very high Human Development Index. 6 out of 10 countries with the highest number of reported rapes were also in the top of the Global Gender Gap Index rankings.[39]
sydneyking
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4623 posts since 26/9/09

26 Nov 2019 16:11
Fudge, do you need some cream for that burn mate?
Judgemelt
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11 posts since 27/9/19

26 Nov 2019 16:19
The brown - white nationalist strikes again Laughing out loud

Need a tree for that noose?
-DiscoTits-
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757 posts since 26/11/07

posted 26 Nov 2019 18:17, edited 26 Nov 2019 18:17
Fudge.

You do know that Boris has been sacked at least twice in his journalism career for exactly the thing I accuse him of. He's a proven liar. Not only that, people who have worked with him through the years have insisted he's untrustworthy, lazy and entitled etc etc.
morning mist
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3176 posts since 29/5/05

posted 26 Nov 2019 20:00, edited 26 Nov 2019 20:00
fudge.dredd wrote: Lol you really are a melt.

Is Sweden a socialist country?

And interesting that all you say is ‘I’m from Sweden’ and don’t answer any of the points I made? Is crime on the rise? Has multiculturalism worked? Does Sweden have issues with no-go zones? Are the government not allowed to report the ethnicity of people who commit crimes?

Cmon IKEA, talk.

Anything that doesn’t agree with your worldview is ‘right wing’

I'm a melt? Mate, you just countered with another site that use statistics from Numbeo



If you wasn't consistently bad at this I would think you were taking the piss.

But it doesn't matter, we have already talked about Sweden and it's high sexual assault/rape statistics like nothingelseworked pointed out.

I'm not really interested in a detailed discussion with you because you don't know what the fuck you are doing. Using statistics you don't understand or even care to understand as long as it "proves" your point. If you are even remotely interested in these issues I would recommend you google research regarding poverty and crime.

But I will continue to call you on your bullshit every time you post shit like this.
darko
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911 posts since 4/10/12

26 Nov 2019 22:37
Laughing out loud
MLI
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4603 posts since 6/10/09

27 Nov 2019 10:56
Judgemelt wrote: The brown - white nationalist strikes again Laughing out loud

You do know that most legit migrants are conservative and family values and shit? And rape and sexual assault are frowned upon by most migrants right?

Are you saying that Fudge has to be pro rape to be black? Why are you such a fucking racist?
fudge.dredd
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958 posts since 15/12/12

posted 27 Nov 2019 18:48, edited 27 Nov 2019 18:48
nothingelseworked wrote: Already been in discussed in this thread. You really are the old grandpa shouting at a cloud Laughing out loud

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

https://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/

Widely differing legal systems, offence definitions, terminological variations, recording practices and statistical conventions makes any cross-national comparison on rape statistics difficult. Large-scale victimisation surveys have been presented as a more reliable indicator.[34]

UNODC report
A frequently cited source when comparing Swedish rape statistics internationally is the regularly published report by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC). In 2012, according to the report by UNODC, Sweden was quoted as having 66.5 cases of reported rapes per 100,000 population,[35] based on official statistics by Brå.[36] This is the highest number of reported rape of any nation in the report. The high number of reported rapes in Sweden can partly be explained by the comparatively broad definition of rape, the method of which the Swedish police record rapes, a high confidence in the criminal justice system, and an effort by the Government to decrease the number of unreported rapes.[note 1][25][37][26][38]

Unreliable data for cross-national comparison
Further information: Swedish rape statistics
The UNODC itself discourages any cross-national comparisons based on their reports, because of the differences that exist between legal definitions, methods of offense counting and crime reporting.[35] In 2013, of the 129 countries listed in the UNODC report, a total of 67 countries had no reported data on rape.[24][35] Some majority-Muslim countries missing data—for example Egypt—classifies rape as assault.[39][40] A crime survey funded by the UN and published in The Lancet Global Health concluded that almost a quarter of all men admit to rape in parts of Asia.[41][42] Some of the countries with the highest percentage of men admitting rape in that study, China and Bangladesh for instance, are also not listed or have relatively low numbers of reported rape in the UNODC report.[35]

8 out of 10 of the countries with the highest number of reported rape in the 2011 UNODC report were members of OECD, an organization of high-income economies with a very high Human Development Index. 6 out of 10 countries with the highest number of reported rapes were also in the top of the Global Gender Gap Index rankings.[39]

Yes you are a melt!

You’ve just countered my stats with your own quoting from the SWEDISH GOVERMENTS own website! You absolute mong. Obviously the Swedish government don’t want the any correlation between migrants and sex crimes to be looked into. They’ve said as much by passing laws so that the media can’t report on the backgrounds of perpetrators.

But you know what, you’re right.

There is NO increase in sexual crimes and definitely NO link between welcoming people from countries that have zero respect for women and increases in any sexual crimes. I just hope Sweden’s hospitality extends to you and your doors are open to immigrants coming into your home.

But of course not - because you’re a typical classic white liberal racist.

In fact, the worst of the lot.

Go fuck your self.
fudge.dredd
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958 posts since 15/12/12

posted 27 Nov 2019 18:49, edited 27 Nov 2019 18:49
Judgemelt wrote: The brown - white nationalist strikes again Laughing out loud

Need a tree for that noose?

No but I’ll stick it up your ass
fudge.dredd
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958 posts since 15/12/12

27 Nov 2019 18:59
More for you IKEA.

https://quillette.com/2019/06/11/its-time-for-sweden-to-admit-explosions-are-a-national-emergency/

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/22/data-analysis-true-scale-immigration-crime-sweden-five-charts/



Have a nice day.
nothingelseworked
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3354 posts since 21/2/10

27 Nov 2019 19:01
Meltdown imminent - can't wait for the next open letter Laughing out loud

-DiscoTits-
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757 posts since 26/11/07

27 Nov 2019 19:04
Fudge. Noticed you completely ignored my statement about Boris "Liar" Andrew De Piffel Johnson……
figurine
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5775 posts since 14/5/07

27 Nov 2019 19:30
Fudge in completely failing to understand government statistics shocker! Why is it right wingers are so bad with numbers?
joeyjojo
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4073 posts since 24/8/06

27 Nov 2019 20:08
nothingelseworked wrote: Meltdown imminent - can't wait for the next open letter Laughing out loud


Laughing out loud
cutandpaste
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571 posts since 11/6/10

posted 27 Nov 2019 20:59, edited 27 Nov 2019 20:59
Two quick points on the nationmaster statistics;

- The data appears taken to be at various different time periods, which isn’t helpful. The Swedish data being from 2010, which is before the migrant influx.

- If we are to give credence to this data then if Sweden were to have higher rape incidents now relative to 2010, all things being equal, they would need people to specifically migrate from South Africa, Lesotho, Botswana, Bermuda and Swaziland to push up their average. Unless we are saying rapists are specifically moving to Sweden at a rate greater than non-rapists are moving there.
fudge.dredd
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958 posts since 15/12/12

posted 29 Nov 2019 22:50, edited 29 Nov 2019 22:50
Welcome to Jihad and the dar ul Hab, white liberals

Multiculturalism has truly failed.