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MLI
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posted 15 Dec 2019 05:56, edited 15 Dec 2019 05:56
Crackajack wrote: That graph on the reduction in tax of the wealthiest in the US is Eek no wonder if we have followed suit we can't afford to sort out our workers with health and social care, a safety net and need massive government debt instead.

US actually currently has largest wages growth in decades for low paid workers. Outpacing inflation actually. That's a dream in Australia. Go Trump!
fudge.dredd
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1698 posts since 15/12/12

15 Dec 2019 15:48
OK which Fuker is this…? be honest now.

https://mobile.twitter.com/syhawkes/status/1205345627636486144
swede
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9887 posts since 21/3/09

15 Dec 2019 16:32
looks like jordan
fudge.dredd
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1698 posts since 15/12/12

15 Dec 2019 17:45
Laughing out loud
fudge.dredd
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1698 posts since 15/12/12

15 Dec 2019 18:03
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/13/science/hermit-crabs-wealth-inequality.html#click=https://t.co/aiQWNuK1TV
MrW
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3033 posts since 1/8/11

15 Dec 2019 19:17
EssexBoyII
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7181 posts since 5/6/07

15 Dec 2019 21:51
English people are thick as two short planks. Americans are even worse
bill
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4930 posts since 5/8/09

15 Dec 2019 22:22
Pretty sure we'd vote YES on a wall around the UK.
fudge.dredd
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1698 posts since 15/12/12

15 Dec 2019 23:17
^ we have one. The English Channel.
rural
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17809 posts since 26/9/06

15 Dec 2019 23:31
Engerlandddd
bill
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4930 posts since 5/8/09

15 Dec 2019 23:44
fudge.dredd wrote: ^ we have one. The English Channel.

Pretty sure we'd vote YES on a wall around the UK.
fudge.dredd
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1698 posts since 15/12/12

15 Dec 2019 23:45
EssexBoyII wrote: English people are thick as two short planks. Americans are even worse

That’s 430 million people you’ve just stereotyped as being thick because they don’t have your outlook.

Lefties - they’re a meme.
Rez
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8704 posts since 5/4/09

posted 16 Dec 2019 00:03, edited 16 Dec 2019 00:03
Lol pretty sure eb isn't even left wing, by his own admission.

What's next, Stoney the tankie?

Hello World the posadist?

Just looks like you're windmilling at everyone, it's boring

EssexBoyII
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7181 posts since 5/6/07

16 Dec 2019 00:34
Yeah you couldn’t call me left wing at all. There are a few ‘leftie’ Ideas which I’m against. It’s called being an adult that doesn’t need to sit in a box and parrot all the attributes associated with that left or right
fudge.dredd
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posted 16 Dec 2019 00:42, edited 16 Dec 2019 00:42
^ that’s exactly what you do mate.

Please enlighten us all on why you think all British people and Americans are thick?

And if they’re thick, are you?

And based on that logic, who would you say wasn’t thick?
fudge.dredd
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1698 posts since 15/12/12

16 Dec 2019 00:50
bill wrote:
fudge.dredd wrote: ^ we have one. The English Channel.

Pretty sure we'd vote YES on a wall around the UK.

Touché
fudge.dredd
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1698 posts since 15/12/12

16 Dec 2019 00:54
EssexBoyII wrote: Yeah you couldn’t call me left wing at all. There are a few ‘leftie’ Ideas which I’m against. It’s called being an adult that doesn’t need to sit in a box and parrot all the attributes associated with that left or right




What an adult. Pathetic excuse for a man. Ha
EssexBoyII
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7181 posts since 5/6/07

16 Dec 2019 01:04
Yeah I was trying to wind you up. Guilty.

British,American and Australian people I find generally thick. Thats my personal experience. I think it comes from no economics, politics, climate change in the education system. The national curriculum needs a massive overhaul. They might be able to parrot chunks of info/data but they lack the overarching knowledge to link up their thinking coherently.
fudge.dredd
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1698 posts since 15/12/12

16 Dec 2019 01:27
EssexBoyII wrote: Yeah I was trying to wind you up. Guilty.

British,American and Australian people I find generally thick. Thats my personal experience. I think it comes from no economics, politics, climate change in the education system. The national curriculum needs a massive overhaul. They might be able to parrot chunks of info/data but they lack the overarching knowledge to link up their thinking coherently.

fudge.dredd
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posted 16 Dec 2019 01:28, edited 16 Dec 2019 01:28
Enjoy.. from The Daily Telegraph..

Corbyn's virtue signalling London club is biologically incapable of representing the working-class heartlands

In the harsh light of this brilliant new dawn, the Labour Party has never looked more ugly. Jeremy Corbyn is writhing defiance made flesh. Despite leading his party into the worst defeat since 1935, he growled in his final speech that his manifesto policies had “huge popular support”.

His frontbench henchmen are out in force on the BBC, whining nasally about the difficulties of “cutting through the noise of Brexit” and conspiracy theorising the power of “the Murdoch Press”. Meanwhile Momentum is squirming stupidly like a snake that has been drained of its venom. Its leader Laura Parker can only grudgingly hiss on the airwaves about the need for a “period of reflection”.

Labour seems to have already convinced itself that this rout is a blip; that the heartlands has “lent its vote” to the Brexit cause temporarily, and will inevitably gravitate back to the Left. The BBC, meanwhile, appears convinced that the witless masses have succumbed to American-imported populism, and the subliminal witchcraft of the phrase “Let’s get Brexit done”. This is metrollectual nonsense. The working-class has deserted the Labour Party en masse because it does not – and crucially, cannot – speak for them.


To understand this important point, you need to go back to the beginning. When it formed in 1900, Labour was not a socialist uprising, but a practical trade union movement. It had no dogma, doctrines or draconian teachings. It simply believed that workers should have a mechanism for negotiating a better deal from their employers. That is the working-class way – resourceful, aspirational, and unafraid of a barney with the Establishment if necessary.

Sadly, a strain of middle-class fanatical socialism that is alien to the British working class infiltrated Labour within a generation. Ever since, the Labour heartlands have chafed against the embrace of the Left’s scratchy-cardiganed altruism. They shivered at Blair’s northern utopias sparkling with out-of-town supercasinos, and, more recently, bristled at Momentum’s patronising assertions that the working-class are all austerity-ravaged food bank dependents.

But it was Labour’s opposition to Brexit that finally lit the match - catastrophically exposing the extent of the party’s emotional alienation from those it claims to represent. Outraged that “their” people made a decision of such national import against their better advice during the Referendum, Labour decided that the voters were wrong. They wilfully misinterpreted the desire of Brexiteers to move forwards as a sign of its backwardness. Which strikes at the heart of the Labour problem: such an unapologetically patrician movement simply cannot respond to this new era of populism.


Big Brother’s refusal to accept Brexit is just one strand of the story. Where the Red Wall once stood, people are revolted by Jeremy Corbyn. One Black Country voter described him to me recently as a “snotty Islington weirdo who hates Britain like the vegans hate Sunday roasts”.


Covering this election in the West Midlands, I found that his past associations with the IRA came up on the doorstep almost as often as the phrase “Get Brexit Done”. Scrutiny of Corbyn’s self-flagellating policies, like teaching the injustices of Empire in schools, were nowhere to be seen on the BBC. But they were discussed with flabbergasted fury in working men’s pubs.

It is tempting to heap all the blame on Jeremy Corbyn. But he is a merely a product of Labour’s CND, Stop The War tradition. All roads ultimately lead back to the movement’s impulse that Britain is the nation-state equivalent of a bed-ridden war criminal. That a former colonial power should spend the rest of its days in a state of vegetative, socialist self-loathing, to them feels only fitting.

Swathes of the public are equally fed up with Labour’s mania for identity politics. Minority rights movements – from the “empowerment” of “people of colour” to transgenderism – have become tedious and overbearing. Metropolitans may smear those outside the “woke” London bubble as ignorant or bigoted for not sharing their views. In fact, this populist antipathy stems from a collective gut feeling that, in a world of geopolitical high stakes, Britain needs to explore big, nation-unifying ideas rather than indulge in this insipid naval gazing.


The final reason why Britain’s rustbelt has turned its back on Labour so decisively is perhaps the most controversial of all. Even Boris Johnson’s party do not quite grasp this yet, but, outside of the M25, Britain is fiscally conservative. To anyone who has grown up in a striving working-class family, the resonance of “living within one’s means” is obvious.

This is, of course, why so much of the working-class embraced the Victorian principles of Mrs Thatcher.

Which hits on the graveness of Labour’s situation. Dogma trumps what the people actually think and feel every time. With such a fundamental flaw imprinted on its DNA, it is hard to see a way back for Labour.