All of those things you listed are right-wing buzz-words that a couple of years ago would have just been phrased as 'PC gone mad'.

Ironically, it's a culture war import from the states, couple of doors down from going on about 'cultural marxism'.

But that lady is a racist. LBC screen to get nutters on, that’s their shtick.

Labour shouldn’t be chasing the votes of dimwit racists, but similarly they shouldn’t be chasing the votes of midwit activists - they should be representing normal mainstream people. Normal, not racist, but also don’t believe in whatever grift is currently selling, type people.

Honestly this is making my point - the narcissist twitter grifter crew want to paint everyone who’s skeptical of their ideology as racist, it’s in their interest. Fortunately the reality is most people aren’t racists, equally most people aren’t suffering from pathological problems required to buy into the grifters’ ideas either. The best thing Labour could do is do ban the membership from social media.

Not the first time a royalist has wanted to hide away the mentally ill

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerissa_and_Katherine_Bowes-Lyon

It doesn't really matter what label is used, whether you call it 'Critical Race Theory', 'Woke', 'IdPol' or whether or not The Graun tries to put a positive spin on it or not.

And god knows what rock you were living under last year if you didn't see any of the discourse around 'White Privilege', 'Unconcious Bias', 'Defund the Police', 'Robin D'angelo's White Fragility', 'Ibram X. Kendi's Anti-Racism', 'Cancel-Culture'… All of which are part of a particular school of thought which a lot of people will group together as 'Woke'.

Being sceptical of that school of thought is not a 'dog whistle'. The majority of people, including the majority of ethnic minority people, want to emphasise universal human aspects of life that unite us rather than raise the salience of racial divisions to create conflict - especially given that all progress towards racial equality ever has been born of seeing commonalities.

Most people are not racist, most people want to progress towards a world where race is as inconsequential to someone's ability to achieve their potential as their eye colour or hair colour. It's hardly surprising then that most people are suspicious of a school of thought that gives absolute primacy to racial identity and seeks to sow division between racial groups for the benefit of a small group of self-interested grifters.

It's not just a race thing either, it happened when the woke Twitter ghouls descended on the murdered woman in South London before her body was even found to ensure that her death could score them points on Twitter by making infographics about patriarchy. Unfortunately, the grifters have a massive amount of power within Labour's activist base - and until they manage to expel them Labour are fucked, unfortunately.

To help you understand what I'm getting at, You know how Tommy Robinson turns up at whatever terrorist tragedy occurs and uses it to advance his own political agenda? - That's how most people feel about 'woke' when they do the same thing but for their own warped ideology.

Also if labels don't matter, then please let's call it 'PC gone mad' because if you're just going to collapse several strains of academic thought/co-opted aave slang into things you've seen on twitter that you don't like, it could at least have a fun name!

On a final note, there has been so much chat and assumptions about 'real' people, I would recommend reading this book on the cultural side of it:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Authentocrats-Culture-Politics-New-Seriousness/dp/1912248174

Your week off or summat Rez? If it's not, have you tried taking one?

Mate I’m not making a moral equivalence - I’m just expanding on the point which you seemed to take personally, that Labour have an activist base who’s interest is in chasing social media clout rather than representing mainstream Britain.

I don’t think the average mass traditional labour voter is a bigot, and calling them that because they don’t agree with nebulous ideological concepts that paint them as misogynistic racists because they actually quite like Winston Churchill or think the solution to sexual assault is harsher sentencing rather than reflecting on patriarchy is likely to make them less inclined to vote labour.

Once they drop all the idpol winning is easy - whack in another marginal 45% tax band starting at £80k and spend the money on nurses, police officers, and teachers.

Right now they should be skewering the Tories on selling PPE to China, framing it as unpatriotic and unfair, instead they’re trying to control their activist contingent who are associating with and raising the salience of protests/riots that are deeply unpopular with mainstream people.

During BLM they could’ve say - made a push to increase and better enforce the minimum wage - which minorities disproportionately rely on, tailoring the moment to British issues - instead we got ludicrous attempts to try and launch defund the police as a legitimate idea here.

Post Sarah Everett vigil we could have had an policy proposal to make all sexual offences immediately put perverts on a list - instead it was ‘Yes All Men’.

Point I’m trying to convey here is that at every juncture the activist minority drags the discussion to the most polarising place, which is always unpalatable for the mainstream voter - their incentive is social media popularity for them so of course they want division as that’s how the algorithms work there - the issue is that in chasing the clout they create the worst possible optics for Labour.

I’m still struggling here. Are some forms of crime worse than others? Even if it occurs less frequently? For example, you’re focusing on walking home at night/abducted/killed (obviously horrendous), but what about the other murders? Why are they not just as important and need to highlight unacceptable behaviour in society?

The separate point you raise about laddy behaviour is also obviously unacceptable and should be discouraged. But again why the particular focus on that? Men get into more fights with men, women bully women psychologically. Both sexes can act reprehensibly, so why does it make it a misogynistic society?

FYI Labour will never get in power while Scotland continues to vote SNP. No matter which leader is in charge down south SNP have so much grip in Scottish politics and the pendulum has swung and stuck towards independence sooner rather than later.