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stelfox
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8481 posts since 11/3/09

5 Apr 2013 10:30
*stone cold steve austin gif*
macgy
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172 posts since 26/11/11

5 Apr 2013 11:12
Both GB and France suffer from post-empire delusions of grandeur. No European state needs nuclear weapons.
elvrum
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620 posts since 18/7/12

5 Apr 2013 12:15
it's unlikely that much, if anything, will come of the NK situation, yes. certainly nothing involving nuclear. but small arms fire / skirmishes that then escalate to something more serious is entirely possible and with the build up of arms by both the south and the US i'm not sure what they would deem as an appropriate response to say, the sinking of a SK vessel in the disputed waters (like what happened in 2010).

south china sea is pretty dangerous (the 'string of pearls'), and the massive increase in defence spending not only in china but also bangladesh and indonesia etc, is pretty alarming. china are bullying the region and the balance of power that seems to be revealing itself in that area has often been compared to that of pre-1914 europe (cue lots of scaremongering academics writing about imminent war). but i don't really see how those two issues are directly related to what we're talking about. although if anything the fact that china can bully the region is probably partly due to it's nuclear capability and the persuasive power that comes from it (less about 'im gonna nuke you', more about a sheer display of military strength and capability). it's the risk you do not take. and to me that's the point of nuclear weapons and i suppose goes to the heart of deterrence theory. there's a reason india and pakistan tested in the 80's despite the entire world telling them not to. there's a reason bogeyman iran is currently destroying it's currency in effort to arm itself. and there's a reason other states like brazil, egypt, and even gulf states like saudi have hinted that they want nuclear capability. and it's the same reason that if the UK disarmed not a single other nuclear state would follow. you can say you don't like them, or that they are useless and offensive etc, but that's beside the point.

to me it is essential that the UK keep the nuclear deterrent. if the UK were to get rid of trident, france would be the only nuclear armed state in europe at a time when the US are clearly showing less and less interest in our security. europe as a whole have pretty much neglected the issue of security because they believe in the replication of their 'community of states' on a wider scale is not only possible but logical in humanity's upward trajectory to enteral bliss and harmony. in 10, 20, 30 years time when the world will most likely look entirely different to what it does now the majority of europe with be left up shit creek.
breckroadlover
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927 posts since 5/3/09

5 Apr 2013 12:55
Elvrum you are missing the point

Nuclear weapons are not a means of security

We can have capable defences without having a nuclear bomb. We can have anti aircraft missiles, if anybody dares attack us, we can shoot the missiles down from the sky.

Nuclear weapons are entirely pointless. I'm entirely opposed to global militarism and posessing Nukes should be against international law.
elvrum
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620 posts since 18/7/12

5 Apr 2013 12:59
they're entirely pointless yet all the current nuclear armed states will not give them up and a significant number of developing states around the world want to develop the technology, even if that means defying international regulation and pressure.

i think you've missed the point, surely Sad ?
breckroadlover
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927 posts since 5/3/09

5 Apr 2013 13:02
Because they are idiots

You don't need nuclear weapons unless you want to create wanton destruction of civilian populations

Germany and Japan are two 1st world country's that have at least some common sense in agreeing not to develop nukes.
Toasted
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1591 posts since 15/10/09

5 Apr 2013 13:09
So in a world where states like Iran and N Korea are developing nukes you want to dismantle ours?

You're the idiot.
elvrum
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620 posts since 18/7/12

5 Apr 2013 13:11
well…, err… there's a reason both those countries have taken the more de-militarised road in recent history…, but either way japan have a relationship with the US which means they're protected under their 'nuclear umbrella'. germany are next door to france and have a similar relationship. they may not have the weapons (although they do have the technology and raw materials) but they enjoy the benefits of having nuclear ready states around them.
breckroadlover
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927 posts since 5/3/09

5 Apr 2013 13:14
Toasted wrote: So in a world where states like Iran and N Korea are developing nukes you want to dismantle ours?

You're the idiot.

How would a nuke be a more effective than an anti missile defence systems?

please explain
joeyjojo
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3315 posts since 24/8/06

5 Apr 2013 13:18
Hello World wrote: Very bad today. Sad

Osbourne has gone mad trying to link benefits culture to the child murderer. There are only 180 families on benefits in the UK with more than 10 children the cost is insignificant, let alone saying his sociopathic behaviour is due to benefits culture.

dispite the fact his motive for the fire (which killed his 6 children) was to gain a bigger house, thus more benefits?
The issue is wider but there certainly is a big problem with benefits in this country.. its a poor excuse to start a debate but can you blame Osbourne for latching on to it? politics dream this..

DY
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9195 posts since 9/6/11

5 Apr 2013 13:18
shooting down a nuke Laughing out loud

ffs
breckroadlover
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927 posts since 5/3/09

5 Apr 2013 13:20
doomedyouth wrote: shooting down a nuke Laughing out loud

ffs

?

so basically you think an iranian or korean jet is going to fly half way over the world and bomb us without being detected or shot down by anyone

Roll Eyes
DY
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9195 posts since 9/6/11

5 Apr 2013 13:23
yeah, sorry. that will never happen. a jet going around undetected and blowing stuff up sounds silly
breckroadlover
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927 posts since 5/3/09

5 Apr 2013 13:26
good Cool
trailofdavid
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5675 posts since 14/8/09

5 Apr 2013 13:27
joeyjojo wrote:
Hello World wrote: Very bad today. Sad

Osbourne has gone mad trying to link benefits culture to the child murderer. There are only 180 families on benefits in the UK with more than 10 children the cost is insignificant, let alone saying his sociopathic behaviour is due to benefits culture.

dispite the fact his motive for the fire (which killed his 6 children) was to gain a bigger house, thus more benefits?
The issue is wider but there certainly is a big problem with benefits in this country.. its a poor excuse to start a debate but can you blame Osbourne for latching on to it? politics dream this..

His motives were to frame his ex-mistress, because he was a controlling, misogynistic psycho.
Toasted
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1591 posts since 15/10/09

5 Apr 2013 13:27
breckroadlover wrote:
Toasted wrote: So in a world where states like Iran and N Korea are developing nukes you want to dismantle ours?

You're the idiot.

How would a nuke be a more effective than an anti missile defence systems?

please explain

Easy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction
DY
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9195 posts since 9/6/11

5 Apr 2013 13:28
breckroadlover wrote: good Cool

Roll Eyes
saxonheights
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296 posts since 17/8/11

5 Apr 2013 13:29
ICBM
stelfox
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8481 posts since 11/3/09

5 Apr 2013 13:31
could just trap it in a tractor beam and hold it above tehran
Homer
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23820 posts since 8/5/03

5 Apr 2013 16:47
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9971786/Baroness-Ashton-will-be-paid-400000-by-the-EU-to-do-nothing.html