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CovOne
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8564 posts since 17/8/04

26 Sep 2013 13:20
CovOne wrote:
elvrum wrote: i know gove gets a lot of stick but i think some of it is unwarranted. from what i've seen he's one of the most passionate and involved people in the commons. one of the most intelligent anyway. even if i didn't agree with his schools policy i'd rather listen to him talk than the majority of politicians who give the same cookie cutter lines and repetitive arguments.

What has Gove ever said/done that is remotely intelligent or passionate?

My mind is already made up as my job is directly influenced by his flawed ideological policies. Was genuinely interested in what you thought was enthusiastic and intelligent about him?
Trystero
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1510 posts since 1/8/07

2 Oct 2013 17:15
Breathtakingly callous even for the Nasty Party

There's going to be a big bump in youth homelessness when kids leaving care or young people trying to get away from violent or abusive families can no longer claim JSA or housing benefit until they’re 26.

Equally great news for anyone 'in work' on a minimum wage zero hours contract who's struggling to cover their rent and using food banks now.

CovOne
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8564 posts since 17/8/04

2 Oct 2013 18:52
Alistair Campbell going to town on the Daily Mail from last night Cool Doesn't detract from AC being a bit of a nob himself but fair play to him. Presenter also has a go Laughing out loud

Crackajack
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5687 posts since 21/4/05

2 Oct 2013 20:01
Disgusting policy, I assume targeted because under 25's vote less and duped middle classes will not be as effected. How on earth are people who don't come from a stable/middle income family expect to avoid serious poverty?

All the while they are doing their best to try and privatise everything knowing they wont be in Government for long but in the knowledge that its far harder to re-nationalise and something which a future Labour / Lab-Lib coalition may not be able to afford.
Bennelli
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3183 posts since 25/5/11

2 Oct 2013 20:09
Sneaky bastards have changed the date for Royal Mails privatization for before the upcoming strikes…

Not much in the news either about the recent Manchester NHS/TUC rally either…

Absolute cunts.

Think the kids are bad/anti-social now? Give it ten years if that policy goes through.
Hello World
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12043 posts since 7/3/05

2 Oct 2013 21:30
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Hello World wrote: Already rolling back the price freeze concept, wasn't the quoted savings something like £120 over 20 months? 6 quid a month? its pissing in the ocean.

If they want socialism then start taxing and renationalise, however that totally insular ideology only works if you do not need global trade and have enormous internal resources, why would any business try to compete with an unlimited government budget utility?

If theres no profit they wont bother, next thing the UK has to run the entire national grid from taxes, how are they going to possible raise the money to do that?

We have a dangerous resource in fracking but thats doomsday to an election, wheres the natural gas going to come from magic land?

I completely approve of socialist ideologies in societies and country's that can support it, I don't think the UK can anymore.

How do you feel about the NHS then?

Speaking directly to consultants I work with now who worked on optimising ER and hospitals, the main issues are dealing with peak flow through the system. The staff in place are not trained to think like operation directors or production managers, so the flow through the system is not optimised.

Basic example is cast broken limbs, legs take longer than arms so maybe you can do 1 leg + 1 arm or 3 arms but not 2 legs in a hour, so you have to structure the flow to optimise the resources better, it doesn't currently run like that. Solution is to optimise or increase bloated resources from an operations front.

None of that makes a difference if people go to ER for everything because they have to be seen because they don't go to a GP due to an appointment. So we need more GPs, longer opening hours etc. Clearly not enough GPs are being trained every year or existing GPs wont work shift hours / weekends, preventing immigrant GPs from working isn't helping matters either.

No idea if it is cheaper to have enough GPs to allow 24/7 appointments / callouts vs increasing the ER to allow peak flow of no appointment patients.




So you have too many people who go to ER rather than a GP for any issue
Crackajack
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5687 posts since 21/4/05

2 Oct 2013 22:45
So using your simplified example, how would the flow be 'optimised'?

Do you think a reliance on statistics and managment focused on targets (often set by Dept of health rather than clinicians) has improved the NHS so far? If that is the case I would question why such basic failings been discovered e.g. the Keogh report when this statistical management approach which is also very businesslike and heirachial has now been around for a while.

Hello World
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12043 posts since 7/3/05

2 Oct 2013 23:25
well in that simple example you would have a pool or waiting environment and a treatment environment the pool has a bigger capacity than treatment so you have a waiting time.

pressures on waiting time limits forces a first come first served approach of movement into the treatment room, say two legs are in a row to be treated, you are wasting capacity because an arm is blocked by the second leg, but in reality the leg and arm could be done at the same time, two legs cannot so the arm waiting time increases by a leg unnecessarily. if the pool was reached capacity 3 arms could be bumped up and get done at once, freeing pool space.

This would reduce overall waiting time, but increase for certain patients. This is obviously massive simplified, what normally happens is the pool overflows due to peak demand and spills over into other resource just to hold the queue.

The target for treatment time limits makes untrained ground staff run on the first come approach rather than a carefully planned out resource optimised approach.

Then again it is pointless fixing one area if the demand is just totally beyond the peak capacity of a system, hence the GP comment previously. The NHS should be optimised for throughput not individual waiting time goals.

The same thing is true anywhere, nobody aims to create an inefficient system, just the best they can design with their ability, if you are medically trained you cant really be expected to be highly skilled at optimisation skills purely by personal invention, you just get on with it.
rural
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16483 posts since 26/9/06

18 Nov 2013 19:09
Works for the Serbian government
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Noble Locks
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66963 posts since 10/7/03

4 Mar 2014 16:15
billybrown
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2930 posts since 30/9/07

4 Mar 2014 17:29
Laughing out loud WOW…Different worlds…either that or some epic trolling.

Noble Locks
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66963 posts since 10/7/03

4 Mar 2014 17:35
Poverty safari. Laughing out loud
gawkrodger
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6832 posts since 4/11/08

posted 4 Mar 2014 17:35, edited 4 Mar 2014 17:35
YLAup
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3644 posts since 5/9/11

28 Mar 2014 22:25
Gays can officially marry tomorrow.
deuce
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13155 posts since 21/1/08

22 May 2014 09:08
im registered to vote at my old london address, so i didnt get my voting card (i dont get any mail, so havent bothered going back around etc).

1) do i just turn up to my local one with ID etc?
2) or can i just go to any polling station, as i'd much rather go somewhere near my work on my lunch

thx
andymakesglasses
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19549 posts since 26/1/06

posted 22 May 2014 09:39, edited 22 May 2014 09:39
You don't need the card to vote but you have to vote at the polling station stated on the card.

I don't think you need ID normally, you just have to give your name and address (this would be your old address) as far as I remember.
Noble Locks
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66963 posts since 10/7/03

22 May 2014 09:42
Just going down there now. Brb. Decent.
carl lewis
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20647 posts since 14/10/04

22 May 2014 09:47
With the card no ID needed, just confirm name and address.
deuce
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13155 posts since 21/1/08

22 May 2014 09:49
thanks, shame you cant go to any station though
inversesquare
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6447 posts since 7/6/08

22 May 2014 15:37
Yeah can't see how that would go wrong.