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burny
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6033 posts since 25/5/06

9 Jul 2015 15:44
This countries great. First it was outrageous that there are families living off our benefits and costing us all a fortune. Now we're complaining that those people will be worse off.
Trumps
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639 posts since 7/9/09

9 Jul 2015 15:49

Who is really a drain on this country?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/07/direct-aid-subsidies-tax-breaks-the-hidden-welfare-budget-we-dont-debate
phelen
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6728 posts since 16/8/06

9 Jul 2015 16:28
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21657393-george-osbornes-political-vision-brave-boldand-many-counts-wrong-new-conservatism?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/thenewconsrvatism
phelen
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6728 posts since 16/8/06

9 Jul 2015 17:26
toocan wrote: Most people with benefits are on close to minimum wage, the bbc calc doesnt factor in the increase in minimum wage. On paper the shortfall in benefits (for some) will be less than the wage increase from the min wage rise, effectively transfering the burden of support from government to business so you could argue its more the other way round, as ultimately thats going to affect someones dividends or specifically owners of shithouse companies that pay min wage.


There are a hell of a lot of people on not quite minimum wage for which this logic doesn't apply, and as soon as there's a kid or two in the mix the increase in the minimum wage won't come close to meeting the shortfall - and if you're early twenties, there's probably no increase.
ShaneB
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908 posts since 28/11/10

9 Jul 2015 18:36
The 'Living Wage' are reduction in tax relief for BTL were the big two.

Surprised the later isn't mentioned here considering the bulk of peeps here are London renters.
toastbread
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2745 posts since 15/6/07

9 Jul 2015 18:44
breckroadlover wrote: Considering the fact that most peoples information on ISIS comes from the western mainstream media, which is often lapped up without question without any kind of fact checking or questioning, it's vital to get information from a different source.
toocan
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882 posts since 7/11/07

9 Jul 2015 19:32
phelen wrote:
toocan wrote: Most people with benefits are on close to minimum wage, the bbc calc doesnt factor in the increase in minimum wage. On paper the shortfall in benefits (for some) will be less than the wage increase from the min wage rise, effectively transfering the burden of support from government to business so you could argue its more the other way round, as ultimately thats going to affect someones dividends or specifically owners of shithouse companies that pay min wage.


There are a hell of a lot of people on not quite minimum wage for which this logic doesn't apply, and as soon as there's a kid or two in the mix the increase in the minimum wage won't come close to meeting the shortfall - and if you're early twenties, there's probably no increase.
I know not everyone plans for it and call me a pick for saying this but imo if your relying on benefits to support a family you should seriously consider not starting a family until your financially stable, I sure as shit wouldn't.
carl lewis
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23965 posts since 14/10/04

14 Sep 2015 08:56
Chuka finally gone, so of went after he failed to become leader.
burny
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6033 posts since 25/5/06

14 Sep 2015 09:26
I fucking hate what social media has done to our society.

Corbyn getting in is exactly what the Conservatives wanted.
ShaneB
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908 posts since 28/11/10

14 Sep 2015 10:02
burny wrote: I fucking hate what social media has done to our society.

Corbyn getting in is exactly what the Conservatives wanted.

The media class & government are far too deferential to social media - they seem to think Twitter is a window into the hearts and minds of Joe Public; couldn't be further from the truth. I remember reading a breakdown of the demographics - almost 2/3 female with a propensity towards undergraduates.

Hardly a microcosm of humdrum Britain.

I think Corbyn is symptomatic of issues in Britain; our generation is getting poorer - and actually, don't be surprised if he does particularly well at the next election.
burny
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6033 posts since 25/5/06

14 Sep 2015 10:11
No ones getting poorer, there's just more avenues for people to complain.

ShaneB
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908 posts since 28/11/10

14 Sep 2015 10:21
burny wrote: No ones getting poorer, there's just more avenues for people to complain.

Yes they are - real wages are lower than they were in the mid 90s; there's been a precipitous decline since the mid-late naughties; you could make the point that real wages have been falling for the last 50 years. The under 40s are the first generation since the industrial revolution to be poorer than their parents, that's obviously concentrated when talking about 20-somethings, the cohort that was galvanised in favour of Corbyn.

As I say, he's symptomatic of a much greater economic malaise affecting this country; the fact that people can't even get onto the housing market till the mid-late 30s in much of London / SE is an economic disaster.
burny
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6033 posts since 25/5/06

14 Sep 2015 10:41
Its the jobs people are doing which has caused the wages to fall. We don't have anything near the same amount of manufacturing anymore, and what we do manufacture can be done much quicker and with less people. Im not here for a discussion/argument, I'm working. My initial point was that the conservatives wanted him in charge, and now he is.
trailofdavid
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6334 posts since 14/8/09

14 Sep 2015 11:20
Funny how they wanted him in charge because he's apparently so "unelectable", yet now he's a threat to YOUR FAMILY'S SECURITY
Homer
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23926 posts since 8/5/03

14 Sep 2015 11:47
http://news.sky.com/story/1552307/corbyns-cabinet-chaos-the-inside-story

DuffMan
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14389 posts since 21/2/07

posted 14 Sep 2015 12:14, edited 14 Sep 2015 12:14
Actually Burny I think it's what Conservative supporters wanted but not at all what the Government wanted.

While I think it's unlikely Corbyn will win anything I think the Conservative's would have privately been confident of Osborne wiping the floor with any of the other candidates in 2020 and will be way more concerned about the slight possibility (and it is slight) that Labour under Corbyn manage to tap into disillusionment with politics and win back a big chunk of SNP/Green/UKIP/wavering Lib Dem votes.
That and I actually agree with ShaneB more or less.
MoB
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37225 posts since 31/8/04

14 Sep 2015 12:47
DuffMan wrote: I think the Conservative's would have privately been confident of Osborne wiping the floor with any of the other candidates in 2020

Imagine that weasel cunt as Pm Sad
carl lewis
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23965 posts since 14/10/04

14 Sep 2015 13:06
Labour are finished.

marley
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455 posts since 17/3/14

14 Sep 2015 13:13
trailofdavid wrote: Funny how they wanted him in charge because he's apparently so "unelectable", yet now he's a threat to YOUR FAMILY'S SECURITY


thats from david cameron replying to rizzle kicks comment on twitter !??
joeyjojo
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4656 posts since 24/8/06

14 Sep 2015 13:16
I don't know why people are going on about Labour being finished when essentially he is taking the socialist party of UK back to socialism. If it so happens he doesn't do well that's fine, least he has tried to push for the political roots of the party. I think his policies are just what's needed in this country, no one in their right mind can compare his policies to the Tories and say the Tories aret fair. And for those that don't think that style of socialism can work look at Scandinavia.