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HiFi
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1047 posts since 17/7/06

14 Sep 2015 13:33
Gawk must be on holiday.
adidaskev
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1001 posts since 30/11/11

14 Sep 2015 13:38
joeyjojo wrote: I don't know why people are going on about Labour being finished when essentially he is taking the socialist party of UK back to socialism. If it so happens he doesn't do well that's fine, least he has tried to push for the political roots of the party. I think his policies are just what's needed in this country, no one in their right mind can compare his policies to the Tories and say the Tories aret fair. And for those that don't think that style of socialism can work look at Scandinavia.

Agreed. He's a man of the people - not something you've been able to say about a Labour leader in some time.
collizhun
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3880 posts since 19/10/06

14 Sep 2015 13:39
joeyjojo wrote: I don't know why people are going on about Labour being finished when essentially he is taking the socialist party of UK back to socialism. If it so happens he doesn't do well that's fine, least he has tried to push for the political roots of the party. I think his policies are just what's needed in this country, no one in their right mind can compare his policies to the Tories and say the Tories aret fair. And for those that don't think that style of socialism can work look at Scandinavia.

+1
andymakesglasses
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20613 posts since 26/1/06

14 Sep 2015 13:52
HiFi wrote: Gawk must be on holiday.

Laughing out loud
carl lewis
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23965 posts since 14/10/04

14 Sep 2015 14:58
joeyjojo wrote: I don't know why people are going on about Labour being finished when essentially he is taking the socialist party of UK back to socialism. If it so happens he doesn't do well that's fine, least he has tried to push for the political roots of the party. I think his policies are just what's needed in this country, no one in their right mind can compare his policies to the Tories and say the Tories aret fair. And for those that don't think that style of socialism can work look at Scandinavia.

Maybe be so, but those who enjoyed the jolly under Labour, those days are not coming back. Wont be no housing in Zone 1 and 2 unless you can contribute to your rent.

JC wont be able to bring back those days in London.
InWonderland
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2662 posts since 8/2/07

posted 14 Sep 2015 15:33, edited 14 Sep 2015 15:33
Anyone been following the London Mayor selection process?
Sadiq Khan was announced as candidate for Labour on Friday.
Voting closes for the conservative candidate this evening..
DuffMan
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14389 posts since 21/2/07

14 Sep 2015 16:50
Will be close between Khan and Zac Goldsmith (assuming they pick him)
-DiscoTits-
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952 posts since 26/11/07

15 Sep 2015 19:55
No offence to the Londoners on here but to be honest no one else gives a fuck about London. For too long government have held London centric policies designed to draw the countries wealth down to London and it is by no means fairly distributed back around the country. Every time I'm down in London it staggers me to see just how much investment there seems to be going on by government while cities elsewhere lack anything near the kind of funding that there should be. Hopefully someone like Corbyn who actually has a shot at becoming PM will be the kind of person who has the sense to redistribute the wealth around the country.
inversesquare
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6749 posts since 7/6/08

15 Sep 2015 20:15
Hopefully! I couldn't agree more but bare in mind he's been an MP in London for 30 yrs
EssexBoyII
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7214 posts since 5/6/07

15 Sep 2015 20:59
carl lewis wrote: Labour are finished.
-DiscoTits-
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952 posts since 26/11/07

15 Sep 2015 21:07
Essexboy and Carl Lewis. Explain why labour are finished? I think the reason they lost the election is because they weren't left enough. They offered no real alternative to conservatives. That's why the SNP did so well in Scotland because agree with their policies or not they offer an alternative to Conservatives. JC is the man to bring back the voters who went green,ukip / lib dem. And I think he might even win back some of the people who of recent times have decided to vote SNP/Plaid etc
shralp-lad
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895 posts since 21/4/11

15 Sep 2015 21:27
The last few days has reminded me why I despise the bbc
shralp-lad
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895 posts since 21/4/11

15 Sep 2015 21:37
Definitely said "fuck off you thick cunt" at the TV more than usual
ShaneB
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908 posts since 28/11/10

15 Sep 2015 21:40
Left wing / right wing is meaningless. Nobody cares.

Corbyn is like Farage in that within their personas people see principle & conviction, rightly or wrongly. Both tap into the zeitgeist on some very specific but very important issues - economics & immigration respectively.

I think Corbyn will do very well; I notice the media are smearing him like they did Farage. As more and more people become economically disenfranchised the greater the propensity towards Corbyn's Labour.
JustinCredible
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2708 posts since 11/6/08

15 Sep 2015 22:03
Never seen anything like Corbyn's maiden speech from a major party leader, was surreal in parts.

To be fair to him it didn't seem at all scripted, genuinely seemed to speak from the heart and he deserves credit for that.

A lot of talk of inequality & suggestions of much more collaboration with trade unions (which I applaud) plus the inevitable stab at the Tories austerity drive.

Truly bizarre in parts and questions will be asked of his credentials as a serious candidate but that said, a breath of fresh air. Whether or not he'll still be at the helm come the next election is another question as he's so far left of anything I've seen in my life from a major party.

Whilst up on the last couple of general elections, the 2015 GE turnout was still significantly lower than anything in the 20th century and is predicted to fall now we are out of the recession. From my experience, young people these days are apathetic and have no interest in voting - "they're all as bad as eachother, what's the point". Sooner or later someone will come along and grab this demographic's attention - I sincerely hope we don't go down the route of America and see the likes of David Beckham running for election…
-DiscoTits-
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952 posts since 26/11/07

15 Sep 2015 22:28
I'm an avid SNP voter but seeing how at the moment independence is a ways off I will vote for labour if Jeremy Corbyn is still in power come 2020. I think this will be similar with other SNP voters in my opinion.
InWonderland
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2662 posts since 8/2/07

16 Sep 2015 07:40
JustinCredible wrote: Whilst up on the last couple of general elections, the 2015 GE turnout was still significantly lower than anything in the 20th century and is predicted to fall now we are out of the recession. From my experience, young people these days are apathetic and have no interest in voting - "they're all as bad as eachother, what's the point". Sooner or later someone will come along and grab this demographic's attention - I sincerely hope we don't go down the route of America and see the likes of David Beckham running for election…[\b]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/babb/11659321/Sol-Campbell-announces-he-will-stand-for-election-as-Mayor-of-London.html
EssexBoyII
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7214 posts since 5/6/07

16 Sep 2015 07:51
-DiscoTits- wrote: Essexboy and Carl Lewis. Explain why labour are finished? I think the reason they lost the election is because they weren't left enough. They offered no real alternative to conservatives. That's why the SNP did so well in Scotland because agree with their policies or not they offer an alternative to Conservatives. JC is the man to bring back the voters who went green,ukip / lib dem. And I think he might even win back some of the people who of recent times have decided to vote SNP/Plaid etc

Just cannot see the 'average British male' voting for him in a million years. Get rid of nuclear weapons. That's 50% of the UK gone there. Increase income tax - there's the other 35%. He ain't winning fuck all outside twitter/QT unreality world
trailofdavid
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6334 posts since 14/8/09

16 Sep 2015 09:13
ShaneB
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908 posts since 28/11/10

16 Sep 2015 09:42
EssexBoyII wrote:
-DiscoTits- wrote: Essexboy and Carl Lewis. Explain why labour are finished? I think the reason they lost the election is because they weren't left enough. They offered no real alternative to conservatives. That's why the SNP did so well in Scotland because agree with their policies or not they offer an alternative to Conservatives. JC is the man to bring back the voters who went green,ukip / lib dem. And I think he might even win back some of the people who of recent times have decided to vote SNP/Plaid etc

Just cannot see the 'average British male' voting for him in a million years. Get rid of nuclear weapons. That's 50% of the UK gone there. Increase income tax - there's the other 35%. He ain't winning fuck all outside twitter/QT unreality world

Who's the average Briton? 40% of people in full employment earn less than 19k a year; the median income in London is about 30k. Barely enough to survive; infact, less than 25k you can barely survive without tax credit or housing benefit - government subsidies.

Add to the mix the housing crisis (where I live in Ealing / Hillingdon an average 2 up 2 down has shot up to over 400k) you have recipe for vigorous support. I don't support him per se, he's merely symptomatic of the economic malaise we find ourselves in; this country has been so badly governed in beggars belief.