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fontelroy
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3200 posts since 14/6/08

12 Oct 2009 15:55
guido you wanna bet?

half the conservative party were in big banks a few years ago


http://atonesdiscretion.blogspot.com/
smith
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10945 posts since 5/5/04

12 Oct 2009 16:01
Really? So they are as much to blame for the recession as the labour party then.
fontelroy
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3200 posts since 14/6/08

12 Oct 2009 16:03
yep

also de-regulation did start under john major

so really its a double whammy

http://atonesdiscretion.blogspot.com/
Noble Locks
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66963 posts since 10/7/03

12 Oct 2009 16:06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeLSNzEorbI&hl=en&fs=1&;
Double D
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3552 posts since 8/3/07

12 Oct 2009 16:08
Guido wrote:
fontelroy wrote:
billy ray valentine wrote: thats the whole point though isnt it.. technically they're not breaking a law.
but this is the area i have issues with.
i could go to thailand and fuck a schoolgirl…technically i'm not breaking a law as such, but morally i'm commiting a crime and if you have any respect as a person with morals then you wouldnt do it.
its about morals, and the elected government having a notion of whats right and wrong which you expect them to have.
claiming 12k for bathroom improvements for a 2nd home is taking advantage of the system … in fact its abuse of the system. and for me, the biggest issues are the ones close to home thus this being a fucking huge issue as it questions the morals of the elected.

I see how you see that but at the end of the day they are taking what they deserve. It is, and has been for the past couple of decades, that an M.P.s salary is not what it says on their pay slip, expenses are part of that and it is, imo, taking what they deserve

60,000 is not a massive wage for someone who has come out of Oxford with a double first, and to keep hold of the best people to run the country we need to pay them more, ok up until now its been by the shadier way of expenses (which btw everybody fiddles, regradless of industry), i think the law should be changed and a higher wage be given to them as its what they deserve and what they need to stop them from running into the city and becoming the ceo of a top bank

http://atonesdiscretion.blogspot.com/

Because the cunts simply couldn't do it…. if they could they would.
Ha… you should see how much someone like Ken Clarke makes from his outside business interests.
Guido
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12884 posts since 20/4/05

12 Oct 2009 16:14
we're talking run of the mill MP's here not the top dogs or ones who used to run the finances of the country. We all know they get given directorships etc in return for favours….
Charles Winthorpe III
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5474 posts since 29/7/05

12 Oct 2009 16:19
fontelroy wrote:
billy ray valentine wrote: thats the whole point though isnt it.. technically they're not breaking a law.
but this is the area i have issues with.
i could go to thailand and fuck a schoolgirl…technically i'm not breaking a law as such, but morally i'm commiting a crime and if you have any respect as a person with morals then you wouldnt do it.
its about morals, and the elected government having a notion of whats right and wrong which you expect them to have.
claiming 12k for bathroom improvements for a 2nd home is taking advantage of the system … in fact its abuse of the system. and for me, the biggest issues are the ones close to home thus this being a fucking huge issue as it questions the morals of the elected.

I see how you see that but at the end of the day they are taking what they deserve. It is, and has been for the past couple of decades, that an M.P.s salary is not what it says on their pay slip, expenses are part of that and it is, imo, taking what they deserve

60,000 is not a massive wage for someone who has come out of Oxford with a double first, and to keep hold of the best people to run the country we need to pay them more, ok up until now its been by the shadier way of expenses (which btw everybody fiddles, regradless of industry), i think the law should be changed and a higher wage be given to them as its what they deserve and what they need to stop them from running into the city and becoming the ceo of a top bank

http://atonesdiscretion.blogspot.com/


there's so much wrong with that statement, but i'll leave it to others to break down.

for me, politics is first and foremost to serve the public and serve your country. no ifs and buts, if you want to make big money go into another field.. its not about getting the best people to run the country, its about getting the right people.. those who dont want the position for personal gain. those who want to make the country better for their constituents and future generations.

what they deserve? what is that exactly in relation to the expense scandal? have you even read what some of these people are spending our money on?
a little ditty i have when i was at uni doing personal shopping. jack straw the former home secratary used to take our services up and spend 4-5k every 6 or so months on clothes and write it off as expenses.. yes people fiddle expenses. i've done it, we all do it, albeit not for things like egyptian cotton sheets or big screen tv's.. but government is the one area you expect it to not occur simply because its taxpayer funds and the onus is on the individual to not abuse a system put in place to allow the average person who is in government to serve their consituency.
Crackajack
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7590 posts since 21/4/05

12 Oct 2009 16:28
Thats right. I dont want elected representatives that are only concerned with personal gain! Let that sort of person work at a bank and earn lots of money and pay lots of tax!
MrPlatinum
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8939 posts since 24/2/04

12 Oct 2009 16:33
The expenses thing is a farce, and clearly the MP's should be held to account.

I just hope we don't end up with lots of single policy independent candidates standing at the next election, it dilutes the real debate and makes people who watch Jeremy Kyle for a living think that a politician's job should be to make popular decisions all the time.

I'd happily take the careers of William Hague and Archie Norman.
Double D
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3552 posts since 8/3/07

12 Oct 2009 16:37
Guido wrote: we're talking run of the mill MP's here not the top dogs or ones who used to run the finances of the country. We all know they get given directorships etc in return for favours….
Was just an example… fontelroy was talking about people with first class degrees in PPE from Oxford which will indeed get you into any company under the sun at the drop of a hat.
Double D
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3552 posts since 8/3/07

12 Oct 2009 16:40
MrPlatinum wrote: The expenses thing is a farce, and clearly the MP's should be held to account.

I just hope we don't end up with lots of single policy independent candidates standing at the next election, it dilutes the real debate and makes people who watch Jeremy Kyle for a living think that a politician's job should be to make popular decisions all the time.

I'd happily take the careers of William Hague and Archie Norman.
What real debate? It's just going to be two parties trying to fit into the same centrist agenda with the end result of the Tories coming out streaks ahead because the economy fucked up, and when the economy fucks up we change government.
MrPlatinum
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8939 posts since 24/2/04

12 Oct 2009 16:42
I was once in a final round interview for a graduate job. They made a salary offer which was good, but about 2.5k less than the level I'd read in various articles / reports. I questioned this, and the HR girl's response was "Oh, the MD is ex-Oxford, so likes to start the new hires on a higher wage if they've come from Oxbridge". I told her that I didn't want to work for a firm that discriminates from day 1 and walked off.
FrIEND
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13588 posts since 27/11/03

12 Oct 2009 16:42
I hate all MPs, they're all weirdo's and losers.

The best of a bad lot is mandelson in my opinion, he's evil and devious and thats who I want in charge.
berk
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2118 posts since 24/3/08

12 Oct 2009 16:54
MrPlatinum wrote: I was once in a final round interview for a graduate job. They made a salary offer which was good, but about 2.5k less than the level I'd read in various articles / reports. I questioned this, and the HR girl's response was "Oh, the MD is ex-Oxford, so likes to start the new hires on a higher wage if they've come from Oxbridge". I told her that I didn't want to work for a firm that discriminates from day 1 and walked off.


should have reported that
fontelroy
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3200 posts since 14/6/08

12 Oct 2009 17:09
Guido wrote: we're talking run of the mill MP's here not the top dogs or ones who used to run the finances of the country. We all know they get given directorships etc in return for favours….

http://www.suttontrust.com/reports/PoliticiansBackgrounds_09-Dec-05.pdf

32 percent went to private school

27 to oxbridge

43 to the top 13 universities in the country

thats a big amount who are very well educated and could, as i said, walk into the city

(not talking about the others who are very intellegent just not on paper)


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Guido
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12884 posts since 20/4/05

12 Oct 2009 17:11
It's a small percentage of MP's however you look at it. You'll be well suited to being an MP. Dragging up bollocks stats to try prove a point.
Noble Locks
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66963 posts since 10/7/03

12 Oct 2009 17:12
@ guido = werd Laughing out loud

@ nyc = i aint talking about the countries fucked up cos of it now, youve misunderstood me, i mean in history, the country has been fucked up cos of it since time began, meaning the gulf between rich and poor and the way the poor just sit back and let shit like this go on cos they are scared of a bit of bird*, and ALWAYS have been. (that or god)

*This comes from the Rhyming Slang term 'birdlime' meaning 'time'.
New York Herald Tribune
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2015 posts since 13/8/04

12 Oct 2009 17:12
its a pity billy ray has one red stain Eye-wink on his character because he talks more sense than anyone else on here as a rule.

fontelroy is just Laughing out loud, I mean nobles point is correct - that this is the way of things since day dot and should we be in any way suprised, but to use the analogy of big banks to politics, or politics as it should be, not what it actually is, is why "this country is going to the cleaners etc etc will the last person please shut the door on their way out"…they are fundamentally such different jobs, to bemoan the remuneration package for public service compared to PRIVATE organisations is a laugh, was it ever any different? why do people become doctors working in shitty hospitals when they can earn more doing private practice? half of these utterly droll little people will probably earn a lot of money in consultancy roles or doing after dinner speeches after they get voted out anyway. But there is also the point that the archetypal MP has changed significantly of late so that they're one quivering mass of bland ugly people nobody would choose to relate to even if they could…

plus a double first from oxford is now only from the third best uni in britain Cry
fontelroy
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3200 posts since 14/6/08

12 Oct 2009 17:19
at the end of the day political think tanks have been saying for years that MPs deserved better pay as its the only way to make the job appealing to those with the know-how to improve the country in the most efficient way

http://atonesdiscretion.blogspot.com/
New York Herald Tribune
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2015 posts since 13/8/04

12 Oct 2009 17:27
who running da think tank!

noble i know what you meant, i was more meaning that the problems of this country are due to the attitude of those running it, and fontelroys opinion sums it up basically - rather than the usual groups which get the blame