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Rez
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7935 posts since 5/4/09

21 Jun 2016 16:19
Unapologetically a single issue voter on this one for quite a niche reason - my girlfriend's sister has a syndrome which will render her blind by the time she is forty. The only funding and research for this is made possible through EU funding and collaboration.

sydneyking
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4514 posts since 26/9/09

21 Jun 2016 16:20
I'm pretty sure the out campaign had already agreed to continue funding farms at the same level as they currently receive via the single farm payment.
sydneyking
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4514 posts since 26/9/09

21 Jun 2016 16:22
Rez wrote: Unapologetically a single issue voter on this one for quite a niche reason - my girlfriend's sister has a syndrome which will render her blind by the time she is forty. The only funding and research for this is made possible through EU funding and collaboration.

An honourable reason indeed
sodomgomorra
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1364 posts since 24/3/14

21 Jun 2016 16:33
You're not going to leave anyway, so what's the point of all this?
Dee
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11128 posts since 22/11/07

posted 21 Jun 2016 16:33, edited 21 Jun 2016 16:33
trailofdavid wrote: We pay more into the CAP than we get back that's true, but the overall benefits of eu membership cant simply be measured in £in/out.

Besides if we leave, do you think Tesco and Asda will just suddenly stop keeping dairy prices artificially low? Those subsidies are still going to have to come from somewhere unless everyone starts agreeing to pay a quid for a pint of milk


Artificially propping up the diary industry or any other long term is not a great model for the future. Even so the UK food industry needs insurance much like the CAP provides to all in the EU. The cost of doing so internally is massively cheaper. In fact we could increase it and still save a considerable amount of money.

More to the point …If we leave are BMW, VW and Mercedes or any of the hugely dependent on British trade EU manufacturers going to stop selling us cars, washing machines et al at the same prices?

Or business as usual for most???

trailofdavid
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6334 posts since 14/8/09

21 Jun 2016 16:37
sydneyking wrote: I'm pretty sure the out campaign had already agreed to continue funding farms at the same level as they currently receive via the single farm payment.

Yeah so thats a huge chunk of these proposed savings gone straight away.

Rez, it might be a single issue, but its representative of the wider benefits of EU funding, be it for health research, urban regeneration or schemes for the young, vulnerable and NEETS
adidaskev
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1001 posts since 30/11/11

21 Jun 2016 16:41
There's already been problems with the UK government stalling on giving out CAP payments IIRC?

You can't really answer the trade questions you ask Dee, as you don't know what the trade agreements will be if OUT ended up winning.

I can't see the EU just letting European union members trade to Britain as before.

EssexBoyII
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6386 posts since 5/6/07

21 Jun 2016 16:45
Yeah they'd have to be pretty penal about it to try and stem any further out movements
Dee
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11128 posts since 22/11/07

21 Jun 2016 16:48
Do you know how much of their business comes to the UK? Don't buy he instant doom and gloom - look at the numbers

As for CAP - we pay in circa 6 billion per year and our farmers receive less than 3. Facts!
sydneyking
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4514 posts since 26/9/09

21 Jun 2016 16:52
Yet the nfa are voting in, because of uncertainty around voting out
stoney
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17362 posts since 22/1/05

21 Jun 2016 18:33
There are no racist people that want to remain.
Dee
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11128 posts since 22/11/07

posted 21 Jun 2016 18:41, edited 21 Jun 2016 18:41
..!!
Brian Damage
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7988 posts since 21/10/03

21 Jun 2016 19:08
Rirawin
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9220 posts since 17/7/05

21 Jun 2016 19:15
For the nankids amongst us:

Dee
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11128 posts since 22/11/07

21 Jun 2016 19:23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGC5S3ag1q0
CovOne
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8652 posts since 17/8/04

21 Jun 2016 19:24
I can see both sides of the argument and I am/was open to convincing. However my vote to remain will simply come down to the fact I cannot abide to be on the same 'side' as Boris, IDS, Garage, Gove etc… petty I know but they absolutley hate the working classes and to have them around in more prominent positions is not something I want to see.
stoney
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17362 posts since 22/1/05

21 Jun 2016 19:38
Id rarther side with any of them than farage.
CovOne
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8652 posts since 17/8/04

21 Jun 2016 19:44
Add Galloway to that list too
Double D
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3552 posts since 8/3/07

21 Jun 2016 19:56
CovOne wrote: I can see both sides of the argument and I am/was open to convincing. However my vote to remain will simply come down to the fact I cannot abide to be on the same 'side' as Boris, IDS, Garage, Gove etc… petty I know but they absolutley hate the working classes and to have them around in more prominent positions is not something I want to see.
Exactly, the Leave campaign has become a smokescreen for a right wing power grab, I'd be shocked if trade deals or movement of labour change one iota.
TIMDOT
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862 posts since 6/8/14

posted 21 Jun 2016 20:14, edited 21 Jun 2016 20:14
stoney wrote: There are no racist people that want to remain.
Both sides have made anti immigrant bs a major part of their campaigns.

@CovOne
That's not good enough, on the other side is "Cameron, Osborne, the CBI, and the IMF, and is funded by Lord Sainsbury, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley".

All this money talk (trade deals etc.) is a bit

But how will it affect me and others like me if wages are still being held down?

The EU is a neo-liberal institution and didn't fight for my rights as a worker, we had to fight for all the rights that have been won.
Another hard truth is that 'fortress Europe' contains some of the wealthiest countries in the world and yet have let refugees fester in inhumane conditions and have enacted persecutive measures such as Denmark seizing assets of refugees worth over about £1000, parallels can be made to the persecution of jews in nazi Germany.
The myth of free movement sure as shit doesn't apply to those who aren't sufficiently European.