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inversesquare
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6682 posts since 7/6/08

12 Oct 2009 17:28
You have to think anout the fact that if MPs were paid 120k per year they might not be distracted by extracurricular jobs. They could then devote all their time to their job of serving the people.

(yes Devil's advocate)
New York Herald Tribune
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2015 posts since 13/8/04

12 Oct 2009 17:28
fuck me that sounds like classic fuk political commentary, badly worded and vague in the extreme, but i'm sticking to it Oops
Crackajack
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7590 posts since 21/4/05

12 Oct 2009 17:49
inverse square wrote: You have to think anout the fact that if MPs were paid 120k per year they might not be distracted by extracurricular jobs. They could then devote all their time to their job of serving the people.

(yes Devil's advocate)

If you have politicians that are doing it for the money it doesnt matter what they get paid for being an MP they would still be on the take and join numerous boards as non-exec directors… If you get MPs who genuinely want to help and make things better 60k salary and inflation linked payrise is enough. Dont forget the costs of being an MP are covered in full!

Its probably a bit idealistic to expect we can get leaders who arent acting purely in self interest though… I kind of suspect it goes against 1000s of years of evolution. 'human nature'
Charles Winthorpe III
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5474 posts since 29/7/05

12 Oct 2009 17:56
more politicians like george lee need to be recruited for government roles, people who have
a: had hard times
b: worked in tough environments
c: made a shitload of money already

so their interest is only on improving the country and serving the public.
Double D
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3552 posts since 8/3/07

12 Oct 2009 18:05
Guido wrote: It's a small percentage of MP's however you look at it. You'll be well suited to being an MP. Dragging up bollocks stats to try prove a point.
Maybe 27% is a small percentage but you need to look at who is actually in real power and not just sitting in a constituency in the arse end of Wales. If you look we're actually trending towards a world of Oxford dominance in both parties, I mean Thatcher and Blair had average Oxford degrees but take a look at the probable PM and leader of the opposition in 6 months time:

David Cameron - PPE First Class
David Miliband - PPE First Class

Not to mention half the incumbent cabinet and the probable next leader of the Conservative party (who as London mayor is already roughly the third most powerful politician in the country) all hold PPEs from Oxford.
nick2
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7231 posts since 18/2/09

12 Oct 2009 18:09
[quote=fontelroy43 to the top 13 universities in the country


How many universities are there in the country ?

inversesquare
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6682 posts since 7/6/08

12 Oct 2009 18:12
~114 I think.
Mandrake
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461 posts since 23/6/06

13 Oct 2009 02:20
Double D wrote:
Guido wrote: It's a small percentage of MP's however you look at it. You'll be well suited to being an MP. Dragging up bollocks stats to try prove a point.
Maybe 27% is a small percentage but you need to look at who is actually in real power and not just sitting in a constituency in the arse end of Wales. If you look we're actually trending towards a world of Oxford dominance in both parties, I mean Thatcher and Blair had average Oxford degrees but take a look at the probable PM and leader of the opposition in 6 months time:

David Cameron - PPE First Class
David Miliband - PPE First Class

Not to mention half the incumbent cabinet and the probable next leader of the Conservative party (who as London mayor is already roughly the third most powerful politician in the country) all hold PPEs from Oxford.

boris johnson is 3rd most powerful politician in the country? megalolz
superbe
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1015 posts since 5/6/08

13 Oct 2009 09:56
Mandrake wrote:
Double D wrote:
Guido wrote: It's a small percentage of MP's however you look at it. You'll be well suited to being an MP. Dragging up bollocks stats to try prove a point.
Maybe 27% is a small percentage but you need to look at who is actually in real power and not just sitting in a constituency in the arse end of Wales. If you look we're actually trending towards a world of Oxford dominance in both parties, I mean Thatcher and Blair had average Oxford degrees but take a look at the probable PM and leader of the opposition in 6 months time:

David Cameron - PPE First Class
David Miliband - PPE First Class

Not to mention half the incumbent cabinet and the probable next leader of the Conservative party (who as London mayor is already roughly the third most powerful politician in the country) all hold PPEs from Oxford.

boris johnson is 3rd most powerful politician in the country? megalolz

One of the papers did a link diagram of the Labour top brass vis-a-vis schools etc. It showed most of the power in the country is in the hands of a few students who all went to Oxford/Eton between a period of about 6 years. It's all about who you know. Look at who Boris went to school with alone: Johnny Boden (millionaire retailer), Hugh Fernly (little chef - millionaire), Dave Cameron and on and on. I would say Boris is 3rd top most powerful politician in the UK easily. Look at his sphere of influence.
thoMASSS
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541 posts since 4/9/07

13 Oct 2009 10:09
Or perhaps people who go to Eton/Oxford want to become politicians more than others.
Double D
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3552 posts since 8/3/07

13 Oct 2009 10:51
Mandrake wrote:
Double D wrote:
Guido wrote: It's a small percentage of MP's however you look at it. You'll be well suited to being an MP. Dragging up bollocks stats to try prove a point.
Maybe 27% is a small percentage but you need to look at who is actually in real power and not just sitting in a constituency in the arse end of Wales. If you look we're actually trending towards a world of Oxford dominance in both parties, I mean Thatcher and Blair had average Oxford degrees but take a look at the probable PM and leader of the opposition in 6 months time:

David Cameron - PPE First Class
David Miliband - PPE First Class

Not to mention half the incumbent cabinet and the probable next leader of the Conservative party (who as London mayor is already roughly the third most powerful politician in the country) all hold PPEs from Oxford.

boris johnson is 3rd most powerful politician in the country? megalolz
He has presidential-style authority over (edit: 7.5 million, underestimated before) people and a gigantic chunk of the UK's GDP. Scary but true.

Pretty much only the PM and the Speaker of the House could realistically claim to have more power.
superbe
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1015 posts since 5/6/08

13 Oct 2009 12:17
There are 9m Londers inc Greater London not 7.5m (used to shag a girl from the home office responsible for sending home illegals).
Crackajack
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7590 posts since 21/4/05

13 Oct 2009 12:38
Peter Mandelson is up there.
nick2
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7231 posts since 18/2/09

13 Oct 2009 13:04
superbe wrote: (used to shag a girl from the home office responsible for sending home illegals).

Hope she did a better job in bed.
Double D
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3552 posts since 8/3/07

13 Oct 2009 13:56
superbe wrote: There are 9m Londers inc Greater London not 7.5m (used to shag a girl from the home office responsible for sending home illegals).
Was just going on the wikipedia site.
superbe
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1015 posts since 5/6/08

13 Oct 2009 14:07
nick2 wrote:
superbe wrote: (used to shag a girl from the home office responsible for sending home illegals).

Hope she did a better job in bed.

No lie she used to arrange operations, usually at major rail stations, and since she told me this I've seen it happen at Oxford St tube at the top of the escalators where there is nowhere to run. Anyway she would get a load of Police to Waterloo, Kings X wherever and just pick out people at random and question them. They had a 90% hit rate for picking illegals based on pure suspiscion. They would fill a chartered 747 every time and send it back to Czech/Poland/Macedonia wherever.

Met her speed dating and fucked her on a train once.

Anyway back to Politics. Yeah Lord M is pretty powerful. Also reckon if Milliband gets the top job and Harman goes then MAYBE New Labour can hold on by the skin of their teeth.
Double D
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3552 posts since 8/3/07

13 Oct 2009 14:19
Miliband isn't stupid enough to take the top job yet. It's been clear since the financial crisis kicked in that Brown is going to be Labour's sacrificial lamb while Miliband patiently waits his turn to become Blair Mk II.
Mandrake
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461 posts since 23/6/06

14 Oct 2009 00:22
Double D wrote:
Mandrake wrote:
Double D wrote:
Guido wrote: It's a small percentage of MP's however you look at it. You'll be well suited to being an MP. Dragging up bollocks stats to try prove a point.
Maybe 27% is a small percentage but you need to look at who is actually in real power and not just sitting in a constituency in the arse end of Wales. If you look we're actually trending towards a world of Oxford dominance in both parties, I mean Thatcher and Blair had average Oxford degrees but take a look at the probable PM and leader of the opposition in 6 months time:

David Cameron - PPE First Class
David Miliband - PPE First Class

Not to mention half the incumbent cabinet and the probable next leader of the Conservative party (who as London mayor is already roughly the third most powerful politician in the country) all hold PPEs from Oxford.

boris johnson is 3rd most powerful politician in the country? megalolz
He has presidential-style authority over (edit: 7.5 million, underestimated before) people and a gigantic chunk of the UK's GDP. Scary but true.

Pretty much only the PM and the Speaker of the House could realistically claim to have more power.

of this 9 or 7.5m people he got 1.1m votes, not much of a mandate. I don't think his sphere of influence really extends that far, in my eyes he's London's own special Transport minister. I would put Gordon Brown, David Miliband, David Cameron, Peter Mandelson and George Osborne all above Boris, and thats only people off the top of my head. In fact I think I'd probably put most of the Labour and Conservative (shadow) Cabinet above him too.
inversesquare
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6682 posts since 7/6/08

14 Oct 2009 01:48
I'd put the chief of Primark above him. That's a serious sphere of influence.
Double D
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3552 posts since 8/3/07

14 Oct 2009 11:09
Mandrake wrote:
Double D wrote:
Mandrake wrote:
Double D wrote:
Guido wrote: It's a small percentage of MP's however you look at it. You'll be well suited to being an MP. Dragging up bollocks stats to try prove a point.
Maybe 27% is a small percentage but you need to look at who is actually in real power and not just sitting in a constituency in the arse end of Wales. If you look we're actually trending towards a world of Oxford dominance in both parties, I mean Thatcher and Blair had average Oxford degrees but take a look at the probable PM and leader of the opposition in 6 months time:

David Cameron - PPE First Class
David Miliband - PPE First Class

Not to mention half the incumbent cabinet and the probable next leader of the Conservative party (who as London mayor is already roughly the third most powerful politician in the country) all hold PPEs from Oxford.

boris johnson is 3rd most powerful politician in the country? megalolz
He has presidential-style authority over (edit: 7.5 million, underestimated before) people and a gigantic chunk of the UK's GDP. Scary but true.

Pretty much only the PM and the Speaker of the House could realistically claim to have more power.

of this 9 or 7.5m people he got 1.1m votes, not much of a mandate. I don't think his sphere of influence really extends that far, in my eyes he's London's own special Transport minister. I would put Gordon Brown, David Miliband, David Cameron, Peter Mandelson and George Osborne all above Boris, and thats only people off the top of my head. In fact I think I'd probably put most of the Labour and Conservative (shadow) Cabinet above him too.
The Leader of the Opposition has power? Not really beyond the ability to put some pressure on the incumbent government via the media. Wuldn't say any of the shadow cabinet have any actual power right now. Thing with anyone who sits in the Commons is they're at the mercy of themselves and can only operate as a collective (note that we have a PM not a president). Johnson has a fair degree of authority over an area of the nation with more economic power than Wales and Scotland combined, and whilst the Assembly has to power the amend his decisions it's also very nearly a Tory majority.

There's some pretty odd positions of auto power out there when you look at it. Speaker of the House and Chief Whip spring to mind first in the Commons, outside of it the Attorney General and Archbishop of Canterbury spring to mind (the Church of England still has a fairly startling amount of power in the Lords).