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Mr.X.
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3133 posts since 23/6/13

25 Jun 2016 19:28
Probably something along the lines of 'TimDot, you really need to stop thinking about intercoursing with your grandparents'

TIMDOT wrote: What would have Freud said about who people think deserves to be a political leader? Seeing as most work against their interests.

Dee
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12062 posts since 22/11/07

25 Jun 2016 19:36
any weight behind this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQPMlrNDlxA
RickRude
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4003 posts since 13/1/12

25 Jun 2016 20:04
Great speech that
shralp-lad
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895 posts since 21/4/11

25 Jun 2016 20:12
Exact same script as scottish referendum (including "erasing votes".)
figurine
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6055 posts since 14/5/07

posted 25 Jun 2016 20:40, edited 25 Jun 2016 20:40
Dee wrote: any weight behind this?
Laughing out loud
Superprecise
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2212 posts since 16/7/11

25 Jun 2016 21:56
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten … the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession … broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" … why? why not the formal ones straight away? … he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
Bennelli
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3461 posts since 25/5/11

25 Jun 2016 22:10
True dat, a clever bit of wrangling.

Where's the quote from bud?
Brian Damage
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8034 posts since 21/10/03

25 Jun 2016 22:18
Guardian
Superprecise
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2212 posts since 16/7/11

25 Jun 2016 22:31
Guardian comments section! Can't find the article
Mark
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1024 posts since 24/5/08

25 Jun 2016 22:41
https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/4pu6mj/great_comment_about_boris_johnson_brexit_and_the/

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/25/brexit-live-emergency-meetings-eu-uk-leave-vote#comment-77205935
Rdes1974
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273 posts since 29/1/14

25 Jun 2016 22:55
lets see if Boris has the balls now the cunt
Bennelli
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3461 posts since 25/5/11

25 Jun 2016 23:17
Ta Cool
Crackajack
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8056 posts since 21/4/05

25 Jun 2016 23:30
From here

http://jackofkent.com/2016/06/why-the-article-50-notification-is-important/
Superprecise
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2212 posts since 16/7/11

26 Jun 2016 00:15
Why would Boris do it? He doesn't even believe in it. Farage yes but not Bloris Jobson.
Brian Damage
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8034 posts since 21/10/03

26 Jun 2016 02:06
https://youtu.be/EqDGF4pSd_s
Centurionone
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1680 posts since 30/3/11

26 Jun 2016 07:19
Superprecise wrote: Why would Boris do it? He doesn't even believe in it. Farage yes but not Bloris Jobson.

Underneath that Bumbling Boris facade lies a very competitive, very power hungry Blonde ambition!
carl lewis
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23965 posts since 14/10/04

26 Jun 2016 08:14
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/eu-referendum-hilary-benn-sacked-from-shadow-cabinet-by-jeremy-c/

They saying half party will resign in protest lol bye bye JC
Centurionone
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26 Jun 2016 08:19
A very British coup
carl lewis
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23965 posts since 14/10/04

26 Jun 2016 11:00
Great opportunity for UKIP to take those labour strong holds up north.
carl lewis
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23965 posts since 14/10/04

26 Jun 2016 12:40
Centurionone wrote: A very British coup

7 resigned now.