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adidaskev
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1001 posts since 30/11/11

26 Jun 2016 16:39
shralp-lad wrote: The referendum wasnt corbyns to fight, labour voters did an almost identical job of voting in as the snp voters (70%), wheres the shout for nicola to go?

Difference being that the SNP are massive in Scotland and thriving, where as Labour are as weak as they've been in years. Labour needed to show balls and come out during the ref, not hide away and be forgotten about.

That Guardian article is pretty good.
ismvil
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2057 posts since 16/9/11

26 Jun 2016 17:19
Greenwald has a good take on it all IMHO https://theintercept.com/2016/06/25/brexit-is-only-the-latest-proof-of-the-insularity-and-failure-of-western-establishment-institutions/
nothingelseworked
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3591 posts since 21/2/10

26 Jun 2016 20:01
Proper good bantz from a Leave MP

carl lewis
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23965 posts since 14/10/04

26 Jun 2016 20:57
How is JC still labour leader?
Mark
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1024 posts since 24/5/08

26 Jun 2016 21:09
Jeremy Corbyn MP, Leader of the Labour Party wrote: “Our country faces a huge challenge following Thursday’s vote to leave the European Union. And the British people have a right to know how their elected leaders are going to respond.

“We need to come together to heal the divisions exposed by the vote. We have to respect the decision that has been made, hold the government to democratic account over its response, and ensure that working people don’t pay the price of exit.

“Neither wing of the Tory government has an exit plan. Labour will now ensure that our reform agenda is at the heart of the negotiations that lie ahead. That includes the freedom to shape our economy for the future and the necessity of protecting social and employment rights.

“One clear message from last Thursday’s vote is that millions of people feel shut out of a political and economic system that has let them down and scarred our country with grotesque levels of inequality.

“I was elected by hundreds of thousands of Labour Party members and supporters with an overwhelming mandate for a different kind of politics.

“I regret there have been resignations today from my shadow cabinet. But I am not going to betray the trust of those who voted for me – or the millions of supporters across the country who need Labour to represent them.

“Those who want to change Labour’s leadership will have to stand in a democratic election, in which I will be a candidate.

“Over the next 24 hours I will reshape my shadow cabinet and announce a new leadership team to take forward Labour’s campaign for a fairer Britain - and to get the best deal with Europe for our people.”

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/146518048964/statement-from-jeremy-corbyn
Fuzzyduck121
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1639 posts since 14/12/12

26 Jun 2016 21:39
Jexit is inevitable, he's in denial and living in a bubble

I'm more amused by sturgeon who is totally fucked. The eu won't have Scotland alone and she can't stop brexit no matter how hard she may try. The second referendum is redundant as no scots will take the euro and the red tape even if the eu were to change their mind.
She's gone from tabling the referendum to back tracking and focussing on trying to stop brexit within 24 hours
She's fucked
sodomgomorra
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1603 posts since 24/3/14

26 Jun 2016 21:42
Fuzzyduck121 wrote: brexit no matter how hard she may try.

Telling the UK well fuck off then is considered trying how?
Fuzzyduck121
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1639 posts since 14/12/12

26 Jun 2016 21:57
She is trying behind the scenes to garner support to attempt to halt the passing of any legislation that would be needed to invoke article 50 etc
SNP in big trouble
sodomgomorra
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1603 posts since 24/3/14

26 Jun 2016 22:06
Oh you meant Sturgeon. Thought that bit was referring to the EU.

adidaskev
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1001 posts since 30/11/11

26 Jun 2016 22:39
SNP are in big trouble how? Sturgeon is doing what she should be doing for Scotland, there isn't much outrage here at all funny enough.

There isn't 'legislation needed to invoke article 50' - They simply go to the EU stating they want to leave the union.

EU have already come out and said they would welcome Scotland also - Do you read anything political Fuzzy?
Trumps
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644 posts since 7/9/09

27 Jun 2016 08:25
Fuzzyduck121 wrote: Jexit is inevitable, he's in denial and living in a bubble

I'm more amused by sturgeon who is totally fucked. The eu won't have Scotland alone and she can't stop brexit no matter how hard she may try. The second referendum is redundant as no scots will take the euro and the red tape even if the eu were to change their mind.
She's gone from tabling the referendum to back tracking and focussing on trying to stop brexit within 24 hours
She's fucked

Nah man, she is going to make the fume on both sides of the border so bad that an independent Scotland will be inevitable. The talk of blocking Brexit is a clever move.

And when the Euro will be worth so much more than the pound, who wouldn't want to move to that monetary unit?
bertoni
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1506 posts since 29/9/11

27 Jun 2016 10:30
For the first time in my 44 years we have a politician with real empathy for the common man. I can see why the media and their owners want him out as he represents the possibility of real change. And the elite don't want the kind of change he's offering. They'd prefer TTIP and the subsequent wholesale privatization of public services (the whole point of Austerity and a TTIP objective). I hope he stays.

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/06/03/corbyn-reveals-real-reason-hes-silent-brexit/
sydneyking
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5182 posts since 26/9/09

posted 27 Jun 2016 10:44, edited 27 Jun 2016 10:44
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trailofdavid
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6334 posts since 14/8/09

27 Jun 2016 10:52
All academic given that he, sadly, won't win a general election
carl lewis
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23965 posts since 14/10/04

27 Jun 2016 10:55
trailofdavid wrote: All academic given that he, sadly, won't win a general election

Tru talk
Bennelli
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3461 posts since 25/5/11

27 Jun 2016 11:23
Personally I think he will, as he is different from the empty, moving mouths that are usually propped up to the stage. I feel less affiliation with the mps that have quit as to me it just seems like a power grab, and they could of waited and built up a strong base. Rather than the endless bitching politics seems to be nowadays.

He will have to graft his balls off, and strengthen the party. But if he does he'll be pm… Maybe!
bertoni
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1506 posts since 29/9/11

27 Jun 2016 11:26
I agree. Fuck the career politicians. Careers in politics are a large part of the problem. Principles don't stand a chance.
EddyP
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51 posts since 21/6/12

27 Jun 2016 11:46
Massive disappointment with UK politics at the moment, Corbyn especially. A divide of 52/48 is shocking, but not as shocking as what could potentially come next. A complete shakeup of politics all over, very difficult time to be a labour voter.
trailofdavid
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6334 posts since 14/8/09

posted 27 Jun 2016 12:02, edited 27 Jun 2016 12:02
Bennelli wrote: Personally I think he will, as he is different from the empty, moving mouths that are usually propped up to the stage. I feel less affiliation with the mps that have quit as to me it just seems like a power grab, and they could of waited and built up a strong base. Rather than the endless bitching politics seems to be nowadays.

He will have to graft his balls off, and strengthen the party. But if he does he'll be pm… Maybe!

His main problem is the 330 current Tory seats. Which of those are going to swing to the left?

Unless/until theres a 2nd indie referendum in Scotland there's little chance of getting those 54 seats back. Obviously a coalition is a non-starter.

Lets assume that he could somehow gain the 27 seats that went from Lib Dem to Conservative in the last election, that would put Labour at 256 to the Tories' 303. But realistically you have to wonder why voters who went from the LDs to the Tories would ever then go in completely the other direction.

Even if they could gain the other 8 LD seats (putting them up to 264), a coalition with literally all the other waifs and strays would still only be 291 seats.

Essentially, the rise of the SNP has fucked the chances of a genuinely left leaning government or coalition. The only way labour return to power (in our electoral systen) is by taking the centre ground and winning swing seats from the Tories. This too though may weaken them with left leaning/grass roots supporters
Bennelli
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3461 posts since 25/5/11

27 Jun 2016 12:51
Bit of a sad fact ^ but as the tories are in power now and supremely cocked up labour might get a few swing voters… We can only wish!