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fontelroy
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3200 posts since 14/6/08

4 Feb 2010 11:26
Can I clear this up and say I was being a tool writing that

Those are not my current opinions and they were stupid things to write
Guido
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12884 posts since 20/4/05

4 Feb 2010 11:30
you'll never make a politician if that's your stance now. Lie, cheat and deny everything!
michael
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3054 posts since 29/1/03

4 Feb 2010 11:52
bring back hanging for murder and very serious crimes.
and birch whipping for minor crimes such as theft, assault and stepping on peoples shoes.
you could host it live at trafalgar square and I bet people would pay to go and watch a scummer get a whipping during their lunch break. Sticking out tongue
jsnldn
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274 posts since 20/3/08

4 Feb 2010 12:52
get rid of liberal democracy and institute anarcho-communism/individualist anarchism
Larry
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1980 posts since 9/9/03

4 Feb 2010 13:36
breckroadlover wrote:
fontelroy wrote: personally im a huge fan of the conservative party and hope to represent them some today (no sleaze linking back to this place some day)

barack obama = alright
war = neccesary - saddam could well have has wmd + was a cunt
oil = something we should attempt to access by all means neccesary, crucial to economic growth

domestic = NHS privatised/ global warming is a load of tosh - most people dont even know why the sea levels will rise thus everyone arguing for it dont know why making it a stupid argument


http://atonesdiscretion.blogspot.com/

This post gets me everytime Laughing out loud . First it makes me burst out laughing because it is rediculous. Second it makes me cringe then third it makes me cry…or want to.

Bumping this up for gawkrodger because i want to see him post in here more.

Poor Fontelroy.
DuffMan
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14381 posts since 21/2/07

22 Jun 2010 14:00
20% VAT
25% cut on all budgets except aid and health
Slashed benefits

Going to be a fun few years coming up…
superbe
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1015 posts since 5/6/08

22 Jun 2010 14:12
..can only imagine what it must feel like to have voted Herr Blair in '97…terrible burden to have to carry around….what a mess…
San
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10493 posts since 14/11/05

22 Jun 2010 14:34
Had good mini burgers & fries at a budget meeting i was at at some firm Smiling

CGT at 28%
Corp tax sliding down by 1% over the next 4 yrs

A funny budget but will wait for the detail to start dripping out over the next few days
MrPlatinum
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8939 posts since 24/2/04

22 Jun 2010 14:36
San wrote: A funny budget but will wait for the detail to start dripping out over the next few days

Such a sit on the fence "expert" line Laughing out loud
phelen
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6500 posts since 16/8/06

23 Jun 2010 01:54
For me it wasn't as shocking as I expected although, public sector budgets won't really be known for a few weeks. I thought the Tories screwed the Lib Dems a bit with their income tax allowance/VAT decision. The 10k the Lib Dems had in their manifesto didn't happen whereas the VAT rate went up. Still the 20% VAT and an income tax threshold will the middle-class disproportionately. That's pretty bad in terms of regressive tax policy while also making the life of lower incomes that much more difficult and less impact on the higher bracket.
DuffMan
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14381 posts since 21/2/07

30 Jun 2010 14:40
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10457352.stm

Extra 1.3mil unemployed Laughing out loud

"Hey Maggie it's Dave on the phone, he wants to know what excuse you used when you stole that milk from all those kids…"
biglforlife
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2099 posts since 23/9/06

15 Jul 2010 21:50
Ed Miliband- slowly morphing into a Nick Park creation.
phelen
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6500 posts since 16/8/06

15 Oct 2010 15:53
Leaked documents from the Comprehensive Spending Review confirm that university budgets are to be cut by £4.2 billion.
There will be a 79%…Yes 79%, cut from teaching and a further £1 billion cut from research.

Anyone thinking of going to university when all this hits, you'll actually be better off studying somewhere like Australia. Might as well have a nice holiday if you're going to spend all that money.

Looks like there'll be an unprecedented brain-drain of students and lecturers, with elite establishments picking and choosing those that can afford to apply, and the rest of the universities left to rot. I'd expect to see the closure of quite a few of the new universities over the years.
Rez
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8253 posts since 5/4/09

15 Oct 2010 15:58
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MrPlatinum
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8939 posts since 24/2/04

15 Oct 2010 16:01
phelen wrote: I'd expect to see the closure of quite a few of the new universities over the years.

Wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing imo.
phelen
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6500 posts since 16/8/06

15 Oct 2010 16:03
MrPlatinum wrote:
phelen wrote: I'd expect to see the closure of quite a few of the new universities over the years.

Wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing imo.

but its killing off social mobility. If you're poor, doesn't matter if you're the next Einstein, you'll be a clerical worker on min wage all your life. Stupid kid with rich parents will be fine though. It's WHO you know in this world, player!
MrPlatinum
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8939 posts since 24/2/04

15 Oct 2010 16:11
From what I understand (and correct me if I'm wrong), graduates will pay back their fees once they have graduated and are earning over £21k. This means that students' parents aren't paying it back, students (/graduates) are.
DuffMan
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14381 posts since 21/2/07

15 Oct 2010 18:08
MrPlat that's not the point, if you were working class and had parents on low income would you go to university if someone told you that you'd leave with 50k in debt with interest charged at a market rate? If you were on 25k a year you're talking a 10th of your entire yearly income pre-tax. People from poorer backgrounds will be put off regardless of what commentators etc say.
phelen
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6500 posts since 16/8/06

15 Oct 2010 18:09
MrPlatinum wrote: From what I understand (and correct me if I'm wrong), graduates will pay back their fees once they have graduated and are earning over £21k. This means that students' parents aren't paying it back, students (/graduates) are.


Student's earning the minimum will have a large chunk of their salaries taken away at source for however many years it takes to re-pay. Remember that's just for fees, you can at least double the size of the repayments if you take into consideration maintenance loans. Better off students will get their parents to pay it off quickly, or not need loans in the first place, and so avoid years of interest payments, which they were talking about raising to market levels.

You're probably looking at a £40k debt or more. Try getting a mortgage or buying a car with that hanging round your neck.

What really gets me quite hot under the collar is we have £4.2 billion cut to higher education, but an extra £7 billion in new funds to child care for 2 year olds. So we're happy to destroy HE for all but we can blow £7 billion on some extra child care that will probably make tap all difference.

Pure gesture politics to keep the Lib Dem's on board. With everything else they're cutting - including the job losses which will no doubt be round the corner I really can't see how they justify this bit of "spend". Although unless my rage is making me way too angry they only need the votes of the 18 lib dem ministers don't they - who of course to keep their nice ministry jobs will of course vote how they're told. Apart from a few ministerial salaries and ego boosts the Lib Dems have got nothing out of this at all, unless of course you think being a human shield is a good thing.
Foxtrot
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2476 posts since 8/4/09

15 Oct 2010 19:44
Vince cable said the roads to westminster are covered with the skidmarks of different political parties changing direction on this partcular issue. Having reneged on their pledge, a central theme of their campaign, once again the lib dems reveal that they are so invertebrate. The Browne report is being dubbed as progressive but once you take into account the increase in interest repayments, which could go up to 2% plus inflation and the upheaval of the higher educational system its hard to see how it is such a progressive policy.

Student's earning the minimum will have a large chunk of their salaries taken away at source for however many years it takes to re-pay. Remember that's just for fees, you can at least double the size of the repayments if you take into consideration maintenance loans. Better off students will get their parents to pay it off quickly, or not need loans in the first place, and so avoid years of interest payments,

They are thinking penalty payment slapped on richer graduates who pay back their debt earlier - this is ridiculous and sound like an arbitrary tax just for the sake of progressiveness.

Cuts in public funding in university budgets of 80% coupled with no cap? This is a massive change and is an redolent of an American system which is predominantly funded privately. universities that are not prestigious will not be able to survive - the cost of providing the service to students outstrips the amount they charge and they will ave to raise the fees to recoup their costs. I think Russel Group universities will be able to charge what the market will bear which may be £6,000 maybe even more, while lesser universities will not. Having a higher education system where there is a marked different between what groups of universities charge essentially creates a two tier system. And a way for employers to discriminate further down the line. If this is progressive then id hate to see what regressive is.