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darko
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1082 posts since 4/10/12

posted 7 Jan 2022 11:55, edited 7 Jan 2022 11:55
Fuzzyduck121 wrote:
Essence wrote:
smith wrote: Anyone sold a house themselves? Looking at using strike or doorstep to get in on zoopla and rightmove.

Really don't want to deal with local estate agents. They all over-valued my property massively to get my business. One was even telling me all about the psychology of playing two potential buyers off each other in order to get them to outbid each other. Cunt.

When viewing houses i found Purple Bricks great to use.

Do you guys want to pay nothing or next to nothing for a pair of shoes and expect them to be better then a pair you pay a premium for ?

People don’t understand the true economics of the property market nor do they acknowledge the fact that literally 95% of the work comes after the price is agreed between the parties.

The idea that “ why pay for someone to stick it on Rightmove or , they all do the same thing “ well all shoes do the same fucking thing and all shoe shops sell the same product but none of us are shopping in Wynsors world of shoes

Oh also just read here to find out how utterly shite PB are. For the investors here there’s a reason the purple bricks share price is down from 508 to 23p

https://www.allagents.co.uk/purplebricks.com/

Yep I’m an agent, no I don’t want any of you fukers as a client so I have nothing to gain or lose here but I can tell you having had 25 years in the industry that , whilst there are always exceptions to the rule you are , on the balance of probabilities going to get a wank service and less for your house using an online agent or even worse thinking you can do it yourself.

If you think you are a good negotiator, you aren’t mate
If you think you can sell your own home and people will give you honest feedback about your own house to your face without an intermediary, you won’t mate
If you think it’s about a board and a rightmove listing , it isn’t mate
And even worse if you think you understood the legal process of conveyancing in England you really fucking don’t mate

This post isn’t about advice being given you can all fuck off if you want that Laughing out loud …but the only thing I can say is that the only thing , literally the only thing that matters , is the net gain you receive. To obsess over a fee being charged is missing the point entirely. The price minus the fee is what matters as that’s what you get so stop asking yourself or the agents what they charge and start wondering and working out who will get you the most.

Facts

Great way to prove that all estate agents are tossers. You’re on the same rung as used car salesmen
Rez
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8989 posts since 5/4/09

7 Jan 2022 12:02
Estate agent I was with a few years ago seemed like an absolute idiot, because they kept on forgetting things and not relaying information that I had just told them, or they'd seem utterly clueless about messages we'd just received from the vendor.

Turns out I was actually talking to two different people with the same first name, but with the exact same voice, and they just didn't bother telling me they were two people Laughing out loud

Robadob
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1524 posts since 29/12/04

7 Jan 2022 12:29
Essence wrote: My buyers have just pulled out days away from exchanging contracts after 4 months! gutted…
Any reason why?
Rez
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8989 posts since 5/4/09

7 Jan 2022 12:40
Nice edit darko Laughing out loud
darko
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1082 posts since 4/10/12

posted 8 Jan 2022 12:56, edited 8 Jan 2022 12:56
Rez wrote: Nice edit darko Laughing out loud

I thought it was a bit harsh Laughing out loud

Ps your story sounds about right. I don’t know what it is about estate agency / used car sales / recruitment agencies but they all seem to attract the same class of hopeless muppets

we bought our house with purple bricks and can’t fault it at all compared to the absolute disaster we had with previous agents
Fuzzyduck121
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1640 posts since 14/12/12

8 Jan 2022 19:28

darko wrote:
Rez wrote: Nice edit darko Laughing out loud

I thought it was a bit harsh Laughing out loud

Ps your story sounds about right. I don’t know what it is about estate agency / used car sales / recruitment agencies but they all seem to attract the same class of hopeless muppets

we bought our house with purple bricks and can’t fault it at all compared to the absolute disaster we had with previous agents

Nothing like a bit of generalising about an entire industry.
So in the same post you said that estate agency as an industry attracts hopeless muppets you explain that had a faultless experience of purple bricks estate agency (who are shit usually but fair play to you)

Can you spot the flaw in your post that removes your credibility?

I started my own agency after working for a lot of muppets , they exist in every industry that I’ve ever worked in, in fact more so in the media and retail in my experience , so far we’ve moved 2000 families in 7 years and I’ve personally met them all, thanked them all and every one has been happy. We’ve been voted the best agency in the region for independent customer feedback and because as an agency we give some of the money made back to local community charities that work within the housing sector we’ve taken several people out of homelessness simply using the money that more fortunate people pay to move home themselves. And we’ve done this with an office staffed, other than with one manager , by apprentices as young as 17 who’ve never worked in estate agency or often in any job before meaning no ingrained dodgy work ethics or back handed practices.

But yeah it’s an entire industry of useless muppets and you understand it so well you can make mass generalisations that are entirely correct. Go you.
sydneyking
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5221 posts since 26/9/09

8 Jan 2022 19:33
Laughing out loud
Ulster_Blue
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5624 posts since 16/7/06

8 Jan 2022 19:46
I’m a solicitor and I fucking hate estate agents. Agree with the used car sales men comments. I barely speak to them because they try to talk to me like an equal
Fuzzyduck121
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1640 posts since 14/12/12

posted 8 Jan 2022 19:52, edited 8 Jan 2022 19:52
Ulster_Blue wrote: I’m a solicitor and I fucking hate estate agents. Agree with the used car sales men comments. I barely speak to them because they try to talk to me like an equal


Ironic that the nastiest comments and the biggest trolls on this thread are basically everyone who isn’t an estate agent.
smith
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11783 posts since 5/5/04

9 Jan 2022 13:06
Can't be a decent human being without being an estate agent these days Cry
Crackajack
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8200 posts since 21/4/05

9 Jan 2022 13:47
Ulster_Blue wrote: I’m a solicitor and I fucking hate estate agents. Agree with the used car sales men comments. I barely speak to them because they try to talk to me like an equal

I don't mean to be rude but what a horrible way to think about other people.
darko
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1082 posts since 4/10/12

posted 10 Jan 2022 08:59, edited 10 Jan 2022 08:59
Fuzzyduck121 wrote:
darko wrote:
Rez wrote: Nice edit darko Laughing out loud

I thought it was a bit harsh Laughing out loud

Ps your story sounds about right. I don’t know what it is about estate agency / used car sales / recruitment agencies but they all seem to attract the same class of hopeless muppets

we bought our house with purple bricks and can’t fault it at all compared to the absolute disaster we had with previous agents

Nothing like a bit of generalising about an entire industry.
So in the same post you said that estate agency as an industry attracts hopeless muppets you explain that had a faultless experience of purple bricks estate agency (who are shit usually but fair play to you)

Can you spot the flaw in your post that removes your credibility?

I started my own agency after working for a lot of muppets , they exist in every industry that I’ve ever worked in, in fact more so in the media and retail in my experience , so far we’ve moved 2000 families in 7 years and I’ve personally met them all, thanked them all and every one has been happy. We’ve been voted the best agency in the region for independent customer feedback and because as an agency we give some of the money made back to local community charities that work within the housing sector we’ve taken several people out of homelessness simply using the money that more fortunate people pay to move home themselves. And we’ve done this with an office staffed, other than with one manager , by apprentices as young as 17 who’ve never worked in estate agency or often in any job before meaning no ingrained dodgy work ethics or back handed practices.

But yeah it’s an entire industry of useless muppets and you understand it so well you can make mass generalisations that are entirely correct. Go you.

Forgive me then, you’re an absolute hero and an inspiration to us all

I’ve had experience with around 10+ different agencies through renting 8 different houses/flats and then experience with another 3 during our house buying process. They’ve literally all been useless twats. The only positive experience I’ve had has been with purple bricks because I managed to deal with our vendor directly, rather than being messed around by some grease ball in an ill-fitting next suit, which was lovely.

The benefit of purple bricks was that we only had to provide them with bare minimum paperwork st the start of the process and we were left to raise any queries directly with the vendor or go through the solicitor. The worst experiences I’ve had with agents have been the to-ing and fro-ing, attempts to play seller and vendor off against each other, trying to incite bidding wars etc.

What’s the name of your firm??
darko
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1082 posts since 4/10/12

10 Jan 2022 09:06
when we moved into our last rental the house and garden was a shit hole, I spent about 4 days with my old man cleaning the garden up, ripping out brambles and nettles, putting some bark chippings down, making wooden borders and planting it up with shrubs and flowers. This was pre-lockdown so was a worthwhile exercise because we spent loads of time at home.

Throughout our tenancy we dealt directly with the landlady, who was a lovely person and really understanding about any concerns we had with the property

When we gave the keys back, the wanker at the agency (who happened to be the owners son) tried to charge me £100 for ‘slab cleaning’ because there was algae on the slabs out back, obviously caused by the fact it’s in the shade 90% of the time. This is despite the fact that I probably spent several hundred £££ of my own money improving the house and garden, and I’m also a part time gardener and could have ‘cleaned the slabs’ myself if I knew it was going to be an issue, but nope he refused and we had to cough up £100.

just one of many stories, maybe it’s something about letting agents rather than estate agents ay fuzzy?

swiftus
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1871 posts since 1/7/09

10 Jan 2022 09:13
Fuzzy, I'm sure you run a tight ship with your company and kudos to you. Sounds like you're doing the right thing.

But for you to not recognise that most of your competitors are useless twats and for the industry as a whole to have a bad reputation is naive.
Rirawin
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9648 posts since 17/7/05

posted 10 Jan 2022 09:39, edited 10 Jan 2022 09:39
Been lucky in Bath by the sounds of things when it comes to letting and estate agents. When I rented the letting agent was quick to fix and resolve any issues with the landlord. Despite the minor inconvenience of them carrying out quarterly inspections I received my deposit back without issue.

When it came to buying, found the experience with local independent estate agents to be overall very positive. However, found the nationwide chains to be a tad grating, especially as they'd try and push their mortgage broker and/or conveyance services every time you wanted to book a viewing. We've done a couple of Purple Bricks when looking for our second property and it's only as good as how much effort the vendor can be bothered with. Had one where they hadn't really bothered with presenting the property in a good light or trying to sell it to us, he let us into the place, told us to feel free to look around while he sat there reading a paper and drinking a cup of tea, while the other one was the complete opposite.
themistake
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10870 posts since 20/2/06

10 Jan 2022 12:29
I'm sure its a generational thing as much as anything…
Most of us are a similar age and dealing with properties that are vastly overpriced and our margins are tiny and hugely important, so we need an agent that is sensitive to that. Where as if we was the generation before and we was selling our third buy to let property with a 400% upturn then I'm not sure you would care so much.

Saying that, it does seem like even when they are working for you and doing a 'good job' they are hardly nice guys.
I recently let a property in a popular location with Dext*rs. We set the Saturday for an open flat and the agents were minging, constantly ringing up and trying to get their 'perfect tenant' in for an earlier viewing.
One of the agents asked to pop to see the flat on the Thursday just to check the spec, and whilst she was there she done a video viewing without our permission.
They were falling over themselves to fuck each other over.




JustinCredible
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2743 posts since 11/6/08

10 Jan 2022 13:45
I think a lot of it is down to how shite the system is in this country i.e. there are no timeframes declared and anybody can pull out at any time with no financial penalties whatsoever.

We moved late last year and it was a nightmare, dragged on for months and months despite there only being three properties in the chain. Our estate agents were hopeless (and the solicitors they recommended weren't much better) - literally couldn't get a straight answer out of anybody as to why it was taking so long when there didn't appear to be anything contentious going on.

It only went through in the end because the sellers of the house we were buying gave an ultimatum to complete by a given date or they would pull out (something we knew was the only play left but we didn't want to risk missing out on the house).

Transpires the buyers and sellers of the flat one below us in the chain had been arguing the toss for over a month over who should pay a £900 legal fee. Had the estate agents told us that (we shared the same estate agent as the buyers of our house) I'd have offered to pay some / all of it myself just to get moved & we'd have all saved a few grand on stamp duty.

Even on the day of moving we didn't get confirmation we could collect the keys until 4pm, again due to a dispute over a legal fee (literally £25 or something pathetic like that) which was owed to the solicitors and both parties were being petty and refusing to pay it.
Rez
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8989 posts since 5/4/09

10 Jan 2022 13:51
I once had an estate agent tell me to my face that the lock on the front door worked when I was showing him, in person, that you could push the door straight open with ease. It was even backed up by the survey.

This was between exchange and completion, when the previous owners had left and I obviously wanted the house to be secure.
Rez
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8989 posts since 5/4/09

10 Jan 2022 13:55
When I was viewing a flat once an estate agent was trying to pal up by saying he was trying to get into the industry I work in.

When I asked if he had a portfolio he admitted it was a lie and then apologised, bizarre.
Rez
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8989 posts since 5/4/09

10 Jan 2022 14:02
Had a building survey come back on a flat and it required major and urgent works done to the basement. Pulled out, but offered to send them the report to save the next buyers/alert the vendors.

They just put it back on the market for 25k more and last time I checked, it hasn't been sold in the last few years. This is one of the 'reputable' trendy small estate agents, who were just as aloof and arrogant as the big chains.